Could a Lib Dem Govt. be good for the country?
Discussion
Engineer1 said:
Last I remember the Libs where going to reduce council tax to zero, but replace it with local income tax, which could depending on how it is implemented be a better method.
Sounds s
t to me, you live alone, in a one bed or studio flat, couldnt fill a bin in a week if you tried, no kids, use little or no public services, but happen to earn good money.you'd get f
ked in the ass for the local income tax to pay for all the stuff you never bloody use.a "fair" system would be paying for the services you use, and not paying for those you dont.
Of course, the councils would soon find themselves in the hole for millions as they continue to spunk money up the wall and waste it on expensive showpieces that nobody ever uses.
davido140 said:
Engineer1 said:
Last I remember the Libs where going to reduce council tax to zero, but replace it with local income tax, which could depending on how it is implemented be a better method.
Sounds st to me, you live alone, in a one bed or studio flat, couldnt fill a bin in a week if you tried, no kids, use little or no public services, but happen to earn good money.you'd get f
ked in the ass for the local income tax to pay for all the stuff you never bloody use.a "fair" system would be paying for the services you use, and not paying for those you dont.
Of course, the councils would soon find themselves in the hole for millions as they continue to spunk money up the wall and waste it on expensive showpieces that nobody ever uses.
davido140 said:
Engineer1 said:
Last I remember the Libs where going to reduce council tax to zero, but replace it with local income tax, which could depending on how it is implemented be a better method.
Sounds st to me, you live alone, in a one bed or studio flat, couldnt fill a bin in a week if you tried, no kids, use little or no public services, but happen to earn good money.you'd get f
ked in the ass for the local income tax to pay for all the stuff you never bloody use.a "fair" system would be paying for the services you use, and not paying for those you dont.
Of course, the councils would soon find themselves in the hole for millions as they continue to spunk money up the wall and waste it on expensive showpieces that nobody ever uses.
Those with vast accumulations and little income get to feed of those with no accumulated wealth. In days of old (that is prior to the free market thinking entering the conservative ideology) this support for the status quo was called conservatism, because it is designed to prevent the movement of wealth. It now belongs to the left.
excel789 said:
MX7 said:
excel789 said:
Vote for this lot then..http://lpuk.org/pages/about-us.php
What happens if you don't live on Devizes or Sutton and Cheam?davido140 said:
Sounds st to me, you live alone, in a one bed or studio flat, couldnt fill a bin in a week if you tried, no kids, use little or no public services, but happen to earn good money.
So, a bit like Poll Tax then.t to me, you live alone, in a one bed or studio flat, couldnt fill a bin in a week if you tried, no kids, use little or no public services, but happen to earn good money.davido140 said:
a "fair" system would be paying for the services you use, and not paying for those you dont.
If people could pay for what they use, we wouldn't have any public services. We're never going to reach a situation where opting out is viable, and nor should we. There are plenty of people who need genuine assistance.It would be a complete disaster. Seems they tell completely different things to different constituencies depending whether they are fighting Labour or the Conservatives. They'll sing any song as long as you vote for them.
http://blogs.notw.co.uk/politics/2010/04/nick-cleg...
http://blogs.notw.co.uk/politics/2010/04/nick-cleg...
excel789 said:
AJS- said:
ZeeTacoe said:
AJS- said:
Yes, in the sense that it would show the lefties that their ideas don't work in any colour.
as nice as proving them wrong I personally couldn't take 5 years of libdem hell. ked. Edited by excel789 on Saturday 17th April 14:31
As for what's stopping me from running for parliament. I live in Thailand and have no desire to go back to the UK in the near future, even if I could go back and save the world tomorrow. To paraphrase Homer Simpson, it's easy to sit on the sidelines sniping and saying I told you so... and fun too!
I cannot see things being any worse if they are elected as there are civil servants that will be telling them what they can and cannot do and the consequences of any course of action.
When Labour came to power none of them had any experience as they had been out of it for what was it, 18 years?
Considering what the Tories did in the 80's and now Winkys cronies have fked up good and proper (and are trying to tell us they know how to fix it) the LibDems can't make things worse, can they?
When Labour came to power none of them had any experience as they had been out of it for what was it, 18 years?
Considering what the Tories did in the 80's and now Winkys cronies have f
ked up good and proper (and are trying to tell us they know how to fix it) the LibDems can't make things worse, can they?sjn2004 said:
It would be a complete disaster. Seems they tell completely different things to different constituencies depending whether they are fighting Labour or the Conservatives. They'll sing any song as long as you vote for them.
http://blogs.notw.co.uk/politics/2010/04/nick-cleg...
http://blogs.notw.co.uk/politics/2010/04/nick-cleg...
Article said:
On immigration, the Lib Dems have promised a “sensitive” approach that allows the right number of foreign workers into Britain and then gives them the resources they need to look after their families and language problems.
In Hove, on the South coast, Nick Clegg told his party’s local newsletter: “Nasty right wing politicians and even Labour politicians try to blame the immigrants for the problems.
“It’s time areas with higher levels received the resources they were promised.”
And in West Worcestershire, candidate Richard Burt said “The Liberal Democrats are the only party willing to offer a green card immigration system like Australia.”
But in areas where local voters have been warnng they are fed up with large numbers of immigrants the Lib Dems miraculously change their tune.
In Caerphilly, a crucial Welsh marginal seat, local candidate Kay David promises: “Immigration will be fixed with stringent border checks and newcomers should learn English.
And in the London seat of Kenilworth and Southam, Lib Dem leaflets say: “Immigration, especially illegal immigration, is rightly of concern to many people and lack of proper controls is just not good enough.”
I don't see mixed messages here?In Hove, on the South coast, Nick Clegg told his party’s local newsletter: “Nasty right wing politicians and even Labour politicians try to blame the immigrants for the problems.
“It’s time areas with higher levels received the resources they were promised.”
And in West Worcestershire, candidate Richard Burt said “The Liberal Democrats are the only party willing to offer a green card immigration system like Australia.”
But in areas where local voters have been warnng they are fed up with large numbers of immigrants the Lib Dems miraculously change their tune.
In Caerphilly, a crucial Welsh marginal seat, local candidate Kay David promises: “Immigration will be fixed with stringent border checks and newcomers should learn English.
And in the London seat of Kenilworth and Southam, Lib Dem leaflets say: “Immigration, especially illegal immigration, is rightly of concern to many people and lack of proper controls is just not good enough.”
Article said:
In some parts of the country, Lib Dems talk tough on crime - saying ‘life should mean life’.
On Merseyside, where they are contesting Sefton Central, Nick Clegg said: ‘A “life sentence” usually means just over ten years in prison. It’s got to change.’
But back in London, Clegg’s own policy guide says “Labour and the Tories have become embroiled in a sentencing arms race in a bid to pander to tabloid newspaper editors and to exploit a politics of fear.”
I'm sure the second part of this quote relates to 'short sentences', not life sentences so again no mixed messages.On Merseyside, where they are contesting Sefton Central, Nick Clegg said: ‘A “life sentence” usually means just over ten years in prison. It’s got to change.’
But back in London, Clegg’s own policy guide says “Labour and the Tories have become embroiled in a sentencing arms race in a bid to pander to tabloid newspaper editors and to exploit a politics of fear.”
Edited by Stevenj214 on Sunday 18th April 14:24
MX7 said:
excel789 said:
MX7 said:
excel789 said:
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What happens if you don't live on Devizes or Sutton and Cheam?davido140 said:
Sounds st to me, you live alone, in a one bed or studio flat, couldnt fill a bin in a week if you tried, no kids, use little or no public services, but happen to earn good money.
So, a bit like Poll Tax then.t to me, you live alone, in a one bed or studio flat, couldnt fill a bin in a week if you tried, no kids, use little or no public services, but happen to earn good money.davido140 said:
a "fair" system would be paying for the services you use, and not paying for those you dont.
If people could pay for what they use, we wouldn't have any public services. We're never going to reach a situation where opting out is viable, and nor should we. There are plenty of people who need genuine assistance.I'm too young to rememer how poll tax worked, I was still at school. I do know it was something of a disaster though!
Would taxing per "head" in a household would make sense? £5 a month for a preschool child, £20 when they are at school, reduced if they are in fee paying/public school. £40 a month per adult (made up numbers obviously). Extra if your bin collection in a squillion miles away (punish the rich with long drives), incentivise the chavs not to pump out kids at an alarming rate, discounts if you opt for fortnightly or montly bin collection, or none at all and take your crap to the recycling centre yourself.
Would keep a few civil servants employed to administer it.
Fittster said:
Wadeski said:
Clegg probably WOULD be the Tory party leader if the Tories weren't so bonkers Eurosceptic.
Yes, because Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy have done so well from the European project.
The Libs aren't going to get in, but they could be the reason Winky stays in number 10, if they continue to win votes.
I would have thought they could pick up votes from across the spectrum and also from those who weren't going to vote following the unpleasant experience of both Tory and Labour governments. It seems to me they should have an advantage in not having any hard line left or right wingers to keep happy.
DSM2 said:
Fittster said:
Wadeski said:
Clegg probably WOULD be the Tory party leader if the Tories weren't so bonkers Eurosceptic.
Yes, because Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy have done so well from the European project.Stevenj214 said:
DSM2 said:
Fittster said:
Wadeski said:
Clegg probably WOULD be the Tory party leader if the Tories weren't so bonkers Eurosceptic.
Yes, because Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy have done so well from the European project.tamore said:
Stevenj214 said:
DSM2 said:
Fittster said:
Wadeski said:
Clegg probably WOULD be the Tory party leader if the Tories weren't so bonkers Eurosceptic.
Yes, because Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy have done so well from the European project.raf_gti said:
Truth is I don't really trust either Labour or Conservative to fix the country and UKIP just don't really do it for me at all.
Truth is, Labour have bu66ered up the economy before and the Conservatives have fixed it. Of course you can't trust Labour to fix it, they frakked it up in the first place and are continuing to do so. Check your history and you'll see that the Conservatives will make things better. The Lib Dems have no 'solutions', just ways of turning us further into a backwater economy - do check their small print, don't just look at the gloss.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff