Nick Griffin on BBC Breakfast....I'm worried...
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....mainly becuase a lot of what he was saying (when Sian Williams wasn't putting words into his mouth), was scarily agreeable.
In basic terms....
Non-working foriegn nationals would be offered cash incentives to return to their native country.
What's wrong with that?
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
If only it wasn't the BNP and Nick Griffin fronting these policies, and that they were looked at with the decency/respect that the other parties get by the media - they seem to make some sense to me?!
The BBC should be ashamed of how they tried to villify Nick Griffin on the news this morning! As far as I'm concerned, at the moment, he has not been convicted of any racist offences and he, as we all do, have the right to our own beliefs!
In basic terms....
Non-working foriegn nationals would be offered cash incentives to return to their native country.
What's wrong with that?
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
If only it wasn't the BNP and Nick Griffin fronting these policies, and that they were looked at with the decency/respect that the other parties get by the media - they seem to make some sense to me?!
The BBC should be ashamed of how they tried to villify Nick Griffin on the news this morning! As far as I'm concerned, at the moment, he has not been convicted of any racist offences and he, as we all do, have the right to our own beliefs!
JCB123 said:
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
That's laughable, and how trade wars start. Go BNP!Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
JCB123 said:
....mainly becuase a lot of what he was saying (when Sian Williams wasn't putting words into his mouth), was scarily agreeable.
Generally Griffin and some of his clever members are like this they say lots that is agreeable to many people, in much the same way as UKIP. What they actually seem to do is simply pick up on the unpopular bits of the main parties and counter whatever people don't like. The BNP becomes much less credible when you talk to members of the local parties who simplify their aims into terms such as 'we just want to get white people into jobs'. I won't get into how I responded to that but in my experience (certainly locally) the last people that would take a job here are some of the white scroungers.
Bill said:
JCB123 said:
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
That's laughable, and how trade wars start. Go BNP!Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
Chris_w666 said:
......the last people that would take a job here are some of the white scroungers.
Agreed, but how much of this is becuase they don't really have to take those jobs? It is so easy (and financially rewarding) to not have a job under this government!Edited by JCB123 on Monday 19th April 08:12
Do people still not see through all the bnp BS? Really? In this day and age.
I'm sure there are a number of "good" policies in Hitler's manifesto/propaganda etc. but you have to take the WHOLE package and gauge whether they're worth your vote, not just cherry picking the bits you agree with (else you'd vote for ANY/ALL parties).
Personally, I'm astonished that there are still those that don't see through it all.
I'm sure there are a number of "good" policies in Hitler's manifesto/propaganda etc. but you have to take the WHOLE package and gauge whether they're worth your vote, not just cherry picking the bits you agree with (else you'd vote for ANY/ALL parties).
Personally, I'm astonished that there are still those that don't see through it all.
I like the BNP, they scare all the do-gooding handwringers in society.
That is always a good thing because it shows up what weak minded, incompetent, feeble ignorant muppets said hand wringers are.
Some of us have more faith in british society. The British public will never vote the BNP or a BNP-esque party into any sort of meaningful power, ergo they are irrelevent. But it does show up the muppets who get in a blather over them, so they are useful for that.
That is always a good thing because it shows up what weak minded, incompetent, feeble ignorant muppets said hand wringers are.
Some of us have more faith in british society. The British public will never vote the BNP or a BNP-esque party into any sort of meaningful power, ergo they are irrelevent. But it does show up the muppets who get in a blather over them, so they are useful for that.
Dracoro said:
Do people still not see through all the bnp BS? Really? In this day and age.
Look how popular the Lib-Dems have become, off the back of 90 minutes for Clegg last week. It seems all you need is a pretty face and say the right things, regardless of the reality, and hey presto - he is the new Messiah! Doesn't matter that in reality they are more left than Labour and even want to scrap the UK's defence capabilities and carry on spending money we simply do not have - he sounds and looks nice, and that, to a seemingly large proportion of voters, is all that matters.Take away the media-savvy Nick Griffin and the BNP are exposed as an amateur organisation.
They had their 'finance' representative on the other day. A man who, I presume, would be Chancellor in the laughable event that they ran the country.
Literally all he did was stumble through the conversation, muttering something about reducing the deficit without actually saying how.
I actually laughed at the screen he was that bad. Without their policies on immigration, etc, the BNP have nothing to say and don't know what they're doing....
They had their 'finance' representative on the other day. A man who, I presume, would be Chancellor in the laughable event that they ran the country.
Literally all he did was stumble through the conversation, muttering something about reducing the deficit without actually saying how.
I actually laughed at the screen he was that bad. Without their policies on immigration, etc, the BNP have nothing to say and don't know what they're doing....
bnp have one policy, kick the coloureds out, that is it
should they win and start having to deal with energy, defence, budgets, traffic etc they would not have a clue
london radio phone in a few years back, the cause of the traffic problems was immigrants, so kick them all out was the solution, lets say the guy flustered and floundered after having the piss taken out of him
shame that nu labia have pandered the immigrants too much like giving council houses to immigrants and their families instead of the local people who have family in the area, they are now turning to the bnp as nu labia have effectively given up on white working class
should they win and start having to deal with energy, defence, budgets, traffic etc they would not have a clue
london radio phone in a few years back, the cause of the traffic problems was immigrants, so kick them all out was the solution, lets say the guy flustered and floundered after having the piss taken out of him
shame that nu labia have pandered the immigrants too much like giving council houses to immigrants and their families instead of the local people who have family in the area, they are now turning to the bnp as nu labia have effectively given up on white working class
The BNP are very good indeed at honeyed words. Beyond that, though, they are a bit like the underpant gnomes in South Park:
They (like every other political party) believe that as long as we implement any bulls
t policy for the right reasons, manna from heaven will surely follow.
The fact that they pander to the fears and concerns of white, working-class people is a big clue. Once they've booted out the "undesirables" and we discover that actually, they weren't the problem, the BNP has got nowhere to go. They are a party that depends on fear and bogeymen.
Much like Labour (fear the Tories, fear the Muslim bomber, fear the global warming), the Tories (fear Gordon Brown, fear the Muslim bomber, fear the global warming) and the LibDems (fear the Tories AND Labour, fear the nukes, fear the global warming), UKIP (fear the EU), Christian Whatevers (fear the ungodly), etc., etc.
The sad fact of the matter is that all of them are equally useless, rehashing the same old tired ideas, tinkering at the edges and using taxpayer money to direct us according to their view of the world. The BNP are just more blatant about it.
They (like every other political party) believe that as long as we implement any bulls
t policy for the right reasons, manna from heaven will surely follow.The fact that they pander to the fears and concerns of white, working-class people is a big clue. Once they've booted out the "undesirables" and we discover that actually, they weren't the problem, the BNP has got nowhere to go. They are a party that depends on fear and bogeymen.
Much like Labour (fear the Tories, fear the Muslim bomber, fear the global warming), the Tories (fear Gordon Brown, fear the Muslim bomber, fear the global warming) and the LibDems (fear the Tories AND Labour, fear the nukes, fear the global warming), UKIP (fear the EU), Christian Whatevers (fear the ungodly), etc., etc.
The sad fact of the matter is that all of them are equally useless, rehashing the same old tired ideas, tinkering at the edges and using taxpayer money to direct us according to their view of the world. The BNP are just more blatant about it.
Something I posted in a similar topic
ln1234 said:
..Think about it logically for a minute - a UK factory produces goods that utilises the local labour force and pays UK taxes, hence making it more expensive than an equivalent good produced elsewhere in the world.
Who is going to buy it? Do you think your average american would pay more for a UK good rather than a chinese made one? If so, why is the US the number one consumer of chinese goods considering they produce so many of these products themselves?
The UK could implement subsidies like they do in some parts of Europe and the US where the government will pump in money so that the producers can compete on a global scale but all this costs money, and stifles competition.
So imagine local factories are producing goods, and you as a business entrepreneur decide that you see a business opportunity to import goods from the far east and sell them here cheaper than the local factories, for a profit. Should you be allowed to do this? According to the BNP, they would make it prohibitly expensive for you to import foreign goods, so instead of having a free market where you could explore business opportunities such as this, you're forced to buy expensive locally produced goods, which may even be inferior in quality.
Also, if you have a reduced tax intake due to the outflux of people, you are forced to put taxes up for the remaining to make up for the shortfall, and then have to find money to pay for any other policies you're implementing.
Who is going to buy it? Do you think your average american would pay more for a UK good rather than a chinese made one? If so, why is the US the number one consumer of chinese goods considering they produce so many of these products themselves?
The UK could implement subsidies like they do in some parts of Europe and the US where the government will pump in money so that the producers can compete on a global scale but all this costs money, and stifles competition.
So imagine local factories are producing goods, and you as a business entrepreneur decide that you see a business opportunity to import goods from the far east and sell them here cheaper than the local factories, for a profit. Should you be allowed to do this? According to the BNP, they would make it prohibitly expensive for you to import foreign goods, so instead of having a free market where you could explore business opportunities such as this, you're forced to buy expensive locally produced goods, which may even be inferior in quality.
Also, if you have a reduced tax intake due to the outflux of people, you are forced to put taxes up for the remaining to make up for the shortfall, and then have to find money to pay for any other policies you're implementing.
JCB123 said:
....mainly becuase a lot of what he was saying (when Sian Williams wasn't putting words into his mouth), was scarily agreeable.
In basic terms....
Non-working foriegn nationals would be offered cash incentives to return to their native country.
What's wrong with that?
They have to leave when their visas expire anyway.In basic terms....
Non-working foriegn nationals would be offered cash incentives to return to their native country.
What's wrong with that?
JCB123 said:
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
Presumably then you'd be happy to work on a similar wage to those in China or India. And raising import duties would also mean that other countries would raise their import duties, and our exports would suffer.Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
JCB123 said:
If only it wasn't the BNP and Nick Griffin fronting these policies, and that they were looked at with the decency/respect that the other parties get by the media - they seem to make some sense to me?!
You should go vote for them then. Don't come complaining though when they nationalise everything in sight, when your tax bill soars to pay for it all, and when we become one of the least competitive nations in the world.JCB123 said:
The BBC should be ashamed of how they tried to villify Nick Griffin on the news this morning! As far as I'm concerned, at the moment, he has not been convicted of any racist offences and he, as we all do, have the right to our own beliefs!
Except he has been convicted of racist offences.
Scraggles said:
should they win and start having to deal with energy, defence, budgets, traffic etc they would not have a clue
Sounds like LAbour
Spokey said:
Much like Labour (fear the Tories, fear the Muslim bomber, fear the global warming), the Tories (fear Gordon Brown, fear the Muslim bomber, fear the global warming) and the LibDems (fear the Tories AND Labour, fear the nukes, fear the global warming), UKIP (fear the EU), Christian Whatevers (fear the ungodly), etc., etc.
The sad fact of the matter is that all of them are equally useless, rehashing the same old tired ideas, tinkering at the edges and using taxpayer money to direct us according to their view of the world. The BNP are just more blatant about it.
AgreedThe sad fact of the matter is that all of them are equally useless, rehashing the same old tired ideas, tinkering at the edges and using taxpayer money to direct us according to their view of the world. The BNP are just more blatant about it.
ANd ta for introducing me to the underpant gnomesJCB123 said:
Bill said:
JCB123 said:
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
That's laughable, and how trade wars start. Go BNP!Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
JCB123 said:
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
So the natives can lean back and get away with giving a little less quality and service than their competitors from abroad because they'll be 'protected' from competition to some extent? I'm all for producing and sourcing locally, but this will be achieved by taking away stupid EU/worldwide regulations and subsidies for trucking goods around, not by putting up artificial restrictions. Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
Aaprt from that, to me supporting 'local' production just as well involves buying from passionate bespoke/low volume manufacturers from the UK or Germany rather than handing my money over to a faceless global conglomerate or the Chinese. Borders don't mean much in se anymore, the way production and distribution is organised does.
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems as though there is a hell of a lot more simmering (and in some cases, overt) racial tension now compared to, say, 20 years ago. If this is true, I can only conclude that this is a problem of Labour's own making. I don't recall this much hatred when I was at (a very mixed race) school in the late 70's/early 80's.
JCB123 said:
Chris_w666 said:
......the last people that would take a job here are some of the white scroungers.
Agreed, but how much of this is becuase they don't really have to take those jobs? It is so easy (and financially rewarding) to not have a job under this government!k that is our benefit system? Where a 22 year old father of 2 with a working wife is worse off by going to do a 30 hour week on the minimum wage than he is on benefits and the system that pay his benefits employ people using public money to tell him he is better off watching Jeremy Kyle 
The BNP employ a daily mail system of blaming societies ills on immigrants, but in my small corner of this island there is more evidence to suggest that a combination of long term worklessness, low aspirations, poor atttitude to education, resistance to change, political apathy, and then the benefit system designed to keep the lower class exactly where the state needs them are to blame for the current situation that whether 1 or 1,000,000 foreigners are sent packing sod all will change. Now I am sure there are many more parts of the UK just like this and I am sure there are Black, Asian, Chinese, and even Polish communites that have similar views, not every immigrant is lazy, not every immigrant claims benefits.
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