Nick Griffin on BBC Breakfast....I'm worried...
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Chris_w666 said:
JCB123 said:
Chris_w666 said:
......the last people that would take a job here are some of the white scroungers.
Agreed, but how much of this is becuase they don't really have to take those jobs? It is so easy (and financially rewarding) to not have a job under this government!
k that is our benefit system? Where a 22 year old father of 2 with a working wife is worse off by going to do a 30 hour week on the minimum wage than he is on benefits and the system that pay his benefits employ people using public money to tell him he is better off watching Jeremy Kyle 
But the real problem is neither do, 'nor will!' the so-called main 3 parties.
The BNP may sure be scary, but I didn't think when I was 20 (a long time ago!) I would 'ever' see this country turned into the mess it is in now, and verging on becoming a totalitarian state with surveillance seemingly it's utmost ambition and selling our independence down the river.
If you don't address the problems of immigation and unemployment or the major concerns of the populace then people get frustrated and fringe parties or whatever you like to call them, gain popularity (if that is the right word). How do you think Hitler gained power?
Which is also the reason, of the 3 main parties, the Lib/Dems are now in the lead in one poll! It's not because of their policies, it's because of disillusionment... TOTAL!
Edited by dandarez on Monday 19th April 10:55
Immigrant, wrong skin colour, can't speak da lingo. No home, no coin, comes over squeezed into the back of a lorry, to work.
Apparently - Takes a decent white man's job. Meaning whitey is on the doles coz of that imygrunt. Can't barely scrape enough money to pay for his Sky Subs and pack of fags.
Doesn't say much for the white man does it?
BNP = policies of hate and fear. When there are no blacks left, then they will start on you/your reffriends family, the Greek guy that runs the local bar...whatever to retain power. You realise that don't you?
Apparently - Takes a decent white man's job. Meaning whitey is on the doles coz of that imygrunt. Can't barely scrape enough money to pay for his Sky Subs and pack of fags.
Doesn't say much for the white man does it?
BNP = policies of hate and fear. When there are no blacks left, then they will start on you/your reffriends family, the Greek guy that runs the local bar...whatever to retain power. You realise that don't you?
Chris_w666 said:
Do you think that the BNP would have the first idea how to push through welfare reform on the scale that is needed to sort out the utter clusterfk that is our benefit system? Where a 22 year old father of 2 with a working wife is worse off by going to do a 30 hour week on the minimum wage than he is on benefits and the system that pay his benefits employ people using public money to tell him he is better off watching Jeremy Kyle
I don't. I do think they might have a better idea how to than Labour though.k that is our benefit system? Where a 22 year old father of 2 with a working wife is worse off by going to do a 30 hour week on the minimum wage than he is on benefits and the system that pay his benefits employ people using public money to tell him he is better off watching Jeremy Kyle Bill said:
JCB123 said:
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
That's laughable, and how trade wars start. Go BNP!Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
I don't think for one minute that the BNP's could implement their policies with any degree of success, and nor should they be given the chance.
However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
Chris_w666 said:
Do you think that the BNP would have the first idea how to push through welfare reform on the scale that is needed to sort out the utter clusterfk that is our benefit system? Where a 22 year old father of 2 with a working wife is worse off by going to do a 30 hour week on the minimum wage than he is on benefits and the system that pay his benefits employ people using public money to tell him he is better off watching Jeremy Kyle
If the first second or third idea is any more complicated than driving a bulldozer through the lot of our rotten benefit system then we aren't likely to get anywhere. The BNP seem at least as likely to do this as any of the three main parties.k that is our benefit system? Where a 22 year old father of 2 with a working wife is worse off by going to do a 30 hour week on the minimum wage than he is on benefits and the system that pay his benefits employ people using public money to tell him he is better off watching Jeremy Kyle JCB123 said:
I don't think for one minute that the BNP's could implement their policies with any degree of success, and nor should they be given the chance.
However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
There is nothing democratic about our system. The party in 3rd place wins YES 3rd place will win. Partly because the moved the boundaries in thier favour 5/6 years ago when they had so much power nobody could stop them.However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
NoNeed said:
JCB123 said:
I don't think for one minute that the BNP's could implement their policies with any degree of success, and nor should they be given the chance.
However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
There is nothing democratic about our system. The party in 3rd place wins YES 3rd place will win. Partly because the moved the boundaries in thier favour 5/6 years ago when they had so much power nobody could stop them.However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
The bottom line is that the lovely collective liberal, socialist lite approach where communities rejoice in diversity, are tolerant, inclusive and respond to assertion, rather than awful things like punishment doesn't work.
Our country isn't working and solutions/realities are different from the above eutopia.
Griffin and the BNP have a party which are pretty much polar opposite to the above, hence are in the right area with SOME things.
It's almost like saying "We'll they aren't raping children".
Our country isn't working and solutions/realities are different from the above eutopia.
Griffin and the BNP have a party which are pretty much polar opposite to the above, hence are in the right area with SOME things.
It's almost like saying "We'll they aren't raping children".
NoNeed said:
JCB123 said:
I don't think for one minute that the BNP's could implement their policies with any degree of success, and nor should they be given the chance.
However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
There is nothing democratic about our system. The party in 3rd place wins YES 3rd place will win. Partly because the moved the boundaries in thier favour 5/6 years ago when they had so much power nobody could stop them.However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
ln1234 said:
NoNeed said:
JCB123 said:
I don't think for one minute that the BNP's could implement their policies with any degree of success, and nor should they be given the chance.
However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
There is nothing democratic about our system. The party in 3rd place wins YES 3rd place will win. Partly because the moved the boundaries in thier favour 5/6 years ago when they had so much power nobody could stop them.However, other parties should take SOME notes of SOME of their policies, and go SOME way towards implementing them, but in a more democratic/appropriate sort of way.
JCB123 said:
The BBC should be ashamed of how they tried to villify Nick Griffin on the news this morning! As far as I'm concerned, at the moment, he has not been convicted of any racist offences and he, as we all do, have the right to our own beliefs!
He was convicted in 1998 of 'publishing or distributing racially inflammatory written material' under the public order act. He is an unpleasant racist who has learned to tone it down a bit in public so that the BNP can gain some of the votes of the stupid along with the outright racists.
Edited by hairykrishna on Monday 19th April 12:50
JCB123 said:
....mainly becuase a lot of what he was saying (when Sian Williams wasn't putting words into his mouth), was scarily agreeable.
In basic terms....
Non-working foriegn nationals would be offered cash incentives to return to their native country.
What's wrong with that?
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
If only it wasn't the BNP and Nick Griffin fronting these policies, and that they were looked at with the decency/respect that the other parties get by the media - they seem to make some sense to me?!
The BBC should be ashamed of how they tried to villify Nick Griffin on the news this morning! As far as I'm concerned, at the moment, he has not been convicted of any racist offences and he, as we all do, have the right to our own beliefs!
Not been convicted of any racial offences? That's rubbish, he was convicted of inciting racial hatred against jews in 1998 and given a 9 month suspended sentence. In basic terms....
Non-working foriegn nationals would be offered cash incentives to return to their native country.
What's wrong with that?
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
If only it wasn't the BNP and Nick Griffin fronting these policies, and that they were looked at with the decency/respect that the other parties get by the media - they seem to make some sense to me?!
The BBC should be ashamed of how they tried to villify Nick Griffin on the news this morning! As far as I'm concerned, at the moment, he has not been convicted of any racist offences and he, as we all do, have the right to our own beliefs!
JCB123 said:
Bill said:
JCB123 said:
Reduction on foreign imports/goods.
Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
That's laughable, and how trade wars start. Go BNP!Again, it is about time Britain kick-started its own industries again. A ban or reduction seems a bit far, but pursuation by higher import tax and lower 'home-grown' tax would do the same job?!
If the person in charge of their legal problems is someone who thinks that we couild save humanity and the planet from the looming energy crisis’ using technology from UFOs being hidden by the US Shadow Government and has discovered the secret to direct communication with God using the power of the Gnostic Chakras.
God knows what other idiots they have in the party who are not only dumb enough to support the BNP, but go further and actively start campaigning for them.
Chris_w666 said:
......the last people that would take a job here are some of the white scroungers.
Agreed, but how much of this is becuase they don't really have to take those jobs? It is so easy (and financially rewarding) to not have a job under this government!There's no point in trying to turn Britain into a manufacturer again when it's so expensive to employ people here. These are the days of global scale and cheap transport. You can employ 10+ people to work in China for every one you have here.
People who hark back to when Britain was supposedly great and everything was designed, grown, manufactured and consumed on our shores need to realise those days have gone and they're never coming back unless we have a very big fall out with the rest of the World.
Whilst some will look at the BNP and think some of what they say is common sense, they're a single issue entity. You might for example feel they have a handle on immigration, but is it worth throwing away the economy, all public services and any semblance of international relations just to make sure your next next door neighbour isn't foreign? Of course it isn't.
To vote in a national election for a party only interested in a marginal area of policy is madness.
People who hark back to when Britain was supposedly great and everything was designed, grown, manufactured and consumed on our shores need to realise those days have gone and they're never coming back unless we have a very big fall out with the rest of the World.
Whilst some will look at the BNP and think some of what they say is common sense, they're a single issue entity. You might for example feel they have a handle on immigration, but is it worth throwing away the economy, all public services and any semblance of international relations just to make sure your next next door neighbour isn't foreign? Of course it isn't.
To vote in a national election for a party only interested in a marginal area of policy is madness.
10 Pence Short said:
There's no point in trying to turn Britain into a manufacturer again when it's so expensive to employ people here. These are the days of global scale and cheap transport. You can employ 10+ people to work in China for every one you have here.
People who hark back to when Britain was supposedly great and everything was designed, grown, manufactured and consumed on our shores need to realise those days have gone and they're never coming back unless we have a very big fall out with the rest of the World.
Whilst some will look at the BNP and think some of what they say is common sense, they're a single issue entity. You might for example feel they have a handle on immigration, but is it worth throwing away the economy, all public services and any semblance of international relations just to make sure your next next door neighbour isn't foreign? Of course it isn't.
To vote in a national election for a party only interested in a marginal area of policy is madness.
This is so true. 10 times is conservative. I'm in Thailand at the moment and the average shop girl here earns about 100GBP per month. She will probably work 10 hours a day, and nearly every day. And these jobs with regular income are very sought after. What is the UK minimum wage? People who hark back to when Britain was supposedly great and everything was designed, grown, manufactured and consumed on our shores need to realise those days have gone and they're never coming back unless we have a very big fall out with the rest of the World.
Whilst some will look at the BNP and think some of what they say is common sense, they're a single issue entity. You might for example feel they have a handle on immigration, but is it worth throwing away the economy, all public services and any semblance of international relations just to make sure your next next door neighbour isn't foreign? Of course it isn't.
To vote in a national election for a party only interested in a marginal area of policy is madness.
Last time I worked it out, an hour of unskilled labour was around 18 times more expensive in the UK - just for labour, not the shop rental, electricity or any of the other inputs which are dramatically cheaper here.
About 5km down the road from me is a huge garment factory that makes clothes, they pay similar rates and have a waiting list of people who want to work there.
Thailand is poor by European standards, but no one is hungry, most people have shelter everything they need. It is a huge manufacturing centre though, for this reason. Same thing in China, Malaysia, Indonesia and many places besides. If you want to make T shirts, TVs or any other mass produced goods then get ready for an 18 fold pay cut to do it.
Trim benefits back so that people can only afford the minimum and you'll see manufacturing getting competetive again.
I agree there isn't much point, but the excesses of benefits have done a lot to discourage independence and will to live.
No wonder everyone wants to live here. You can get the pay without the work! No wonder the bar is so high!
Cut benefits to bread and water and a roof.
Oh, what's that, my uman rahts?
fk your uman rahts.
I agree there isn't much point, but the excesses of benefits have done a lot to discourage independence and will to live.
No wonder everyone wants to live here. You can get the pay without the work! No wonder the bar is so high!
Cut benefits to bread and water and a roof.
Oh, what's that, my uman rahts?
f
k your uman rahts. Tangent Police said:
Trim benefits back so that people can only afford the minimum and you'll see manufacturing getting competetive again.
I agree there isn't much point, but the excesses of benefits have done a lot to discourage independence and will to live.
No wonder everyone wants to live here. You can get the pay without the work! No wonder the bar is so high!
Cut benefits to bread and water and a roof.
Oh, what's that, my uman rahts?
fk your uman rahts.
You do that and you're cannibalising a lot of your BNP votes, no? It's political suicide.I agree there isn't much point, but the excesses of benefits have done a lot to discourage independence and will to live.
No wonder everyone wants to live here. You can get the pay without the work! No wonder the bar is so high!
Cut benefits to bread and water and a roof.
Oh, what's that, my uman rahts?
f
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