Nick Griffin on BBC Breakfast....I'm worried...

[AJS-]

I would simply do away with benefits altogether. If anyone is starving, surely all those people who are so generous with "public" money at election time can dip into their own pockets and send them food aid. Bet you they're not.

Interestingly, that makes petrol, cigarettes and alcohol all relatively cheap in the UK. Outside of the main tourist areas Thailand is insanely cheap if you know your way round. I've been staying in an apartment with a shop under it for the last couple of months. Nothing flash but still, a shop in the centre of a small town, and a flat above it, for 60GBP per month. The unit next door is empty.

[Tangent Police]

ln1234 said:

Tangent Police said:

Trim benefits back so that people can only afford the minimum and you'll see manufacturing getting competetive again.

I agree there isn't much point, but the excesses of benefits have done a lot to discourage independence and will to live.

No wonder everyone wants to live here. You can get the pay without the work! No wonder the bar is so high!

Cut benefits to bread and water and a roof.

Oh, what's that, my uman rahts?

fk your uman rahts.

You do that and you're cannibalising a lot of your BNP votes, no? It's political suicide.

Screw them.

I don't really think people have got a grasp of the order of size that the UK's financial situation is in.

If they go balls out, it won't be enough....

[IainT]

Listened to part of NG's public roasting on Radio 5 this morning with Nicky Campbell as MC.

The most dperessing thing was that eh phone-in punters were so rabidly vitriolic and focussed on putting NG down that he came out looking like the calm voice of reason. I'm sure the BBC didn't pick the callers to try and make the BNP leader look good but the certainly succeeded.

Not one caller put any hard questions to NG and all ranterd and spewed.

[ln1234]

Tangent Police said:

ln1234 said:

Tangent Police said:

Trim benefits back so that people can only afford the minimum and you'll see manufacturing getting competetive again.

I agree there isn't much point, but the excesses of benefits have done a lot to discourage independence and will to live.

No wonder everyone wants to live here. You can get the pay without the work! No wonder the bar is so high!

Cut benefits to bread and water and a roof.

Oh, what's that, my uman rahts?

fk your uman rahts.

You do that and you're cannibalising a lot of your BNP votes, no? It's political suicide.

Screw them.

I don't really think people have got a grasp of the order of size that the UK's financial situation is in.

If they go balls out, it won't be enough....

I personally would be in favour of restricting benefits to the bare minimum and as a temporary stop gap till they can fend for themselves. doubt any party has got the balls to put something like that in place though.

[JCB123]

ln1234 said:

Tangent Police said:

ln1234 said:

Tangent Police said:

Trim benefits back so that people can only afford the minimum and you'll see manufacturing getting competetive again.

I agree there isn't much point, but the excesses of benefits have done a lot to discourage independence and will to live.

No wonder everyone wants to live here. You can get the pay without the work! No wonder the bar is so high!

Cut benefits to bread and water and a roof.

Oh, what's that, my uman rahts?

fk your uman rahts.

You do that and you're cannibalising a lot of your BNP votes, no? It's political suicide.

Screw them.

I don't really think people have got a grasp of the order of size that the UK's financial situation is in.

If they go balls out, it won't be enough....

I personally would be in favour of restricting benefits to the bare minimum and as a temporary stop gap till they can fend for themselves. doubt any party has got the balls to put something like that in place though.

Sliding scale benefits?

Percentage reduction for every month you are out of work (assuming that you are able to work). Refusal of an offer for work is an instant cancellation of ALL benefits.

[Bill]

chris watton said:

I don't know if it's just me, but it seems as though there is a hell of a lot more simmering (and in some cases, overt) racial tension now compared to, say, 20 years ago. If this is true, I can only conclude that this is a problem of Labour's own making. I don't recall this much hatred when I was at (a very mixed race) school in the late 70's/early 80's.

Labour have ignored their core vote and the BNP have stepped in to take their place. IMO the racism comes from the BNP, rather than being the driver pushing people that way.

Chris_w666 said:

Do you think that the BNP would have the first idea how to push through welfare reform on the scale that is needed to sort out the utter clusterfk that is our benefit system?

More to the point, they wouldn't anyway. Cutting off their core voter base's benefits would be suicidal for the BNP.

[Chris_w666]

Willie Dee said:

Chris_w666 said:

......the last people that would take a job here are some of the white scroungers.

Agreed, but how much of this is becuase they don't really have to take those jobs? It is so easy (and financially rewarding) to not have a job under this government!Is this from your own experiance or from reading the Daily Mail?

My statement is one from considerable experience working with long term unemployed people in an area that if it had more diversity would be a core BNP hunting ground, even as it is their statements and values seem to hold weight with the populus.

Bill said:

Chris_w666 said:

Do you think that the BNP would have the first idea how to push through welfare reform on the scale that is needed to sort out the utter clusterfk that is our benefit system?

More to the point, they wouldn't anyway. Cutting off their core voter base's benefits would be suicidal for the BNP.

I completely agree with this, but the view of all immigrants as bad has somehow struck a chord with the working class, especially those that are unwaged. These people are not politically aware enough to blame the government and weren't really that annoyed at the whole expenses saga. But if someone pops up, gives them a nice reason to be unemployed without them having to admit they are lazy and lack the skills/motivation to do the jobs that are available.

If these people (that generally vote labour or don't bother as they don't care) get the message that voting for these people could change something they (think) that they don't like then the country could be in for a very bumpy ride.

[grumbledoak]

I don't know why people are worried; they aren't going to form a government, merely split Labour's vote.

In the meantime it is quite funny watching the Socialists get so foaming-at-the-mouth angry that Griffen looks a reasonable choice. We should be laughing, not worrying.