Airline bailout

[cs02rm0]

tinman0 said:

And who better than the airlines themselves?

The regulator, you'd hope. The manufacturers most of all though, surely?

[andy-xr]

joe_90 said:

'Act of God'

Friends Dad is currently disputing with his insurers that his God wouldnt do that to anyone and is requesting proof that their God would

[elster]

cs02rm0 said:

tinman0 said:

And who better than the airlines themselves?

The regulator, you'd hope. The manufacturers most of all though, surely?

Well no.

The people who made the decision was based on scientists evidence, not a pilots or engineers opinion it is fine.

[joe_90]

andy-xr said:

joe_90 said:

'Act of God'

Friends Dad is currently disputing with his insurers that his God wouldnt do that to anyone and is requesting proof that their God would

Good try, but fail.. Its nothing todo with a deity, its just a name for a load of 'get out of jail free' cards the insurance clowns managed to sneak past.

However, the Billy Conally film "The Man Who Sued God" was amusing.

[cs02rm0]

elster said:

cs02rm0 said:

tinman0 said:

And who better than the airlines themselves?

The regulator, you'd hope. The manufacturers most of all though, surely?

Well no.

The people who made the decision was based on scientists evidence, not a pilots or engineers opinion it is fine.

What type of scientist decides engine toleranaces to volcanic ash?

[elster]

cs02rm0 said:

elster said:

cs02rm0 said:

tinman0 said:

And who better than the airlines themselves?

The regulator, you'd hope. The manufacturers most of all though, surely?

Well no.

The people who made the decision was based on scientists evidence, not a pilots or engineers opinion it is fine.

What type of scientist decides engine toleranaces to volcanic ash?

The type who decide the silica content and effects on glass forming in the engine, as it isn't ash.

That is who.

[cs02rm0]

What are they called? I'm not being facetious, genuinely interested.

[SmoothRB]

cs02rm0 said:

elster said:

cs02rm0 said:

tinman0 said:

And who better than the airlines themselves?

The regulator, you'd hope. The manufacturers most of all though, surely?

Well no.

The people who made the decision was based on scientists evidence, not a pilots or engineers opinion it is fine.

What type of scientist decides engine toleranaces to volcanic ash?

Willie Walsh.

[tinman0]

SmoothRB said:

tinman0 said:

Tangent Police said:

This debate consists of 2 halves.

1/2 People who understand the need to err on the side of caution with this particular and not generic dust cloud, they need evidence to see that it is safe from an economic/mechanical point and a public safety point.

And who better than the airlines themselves?

Course they aren't going to risk putting planes up there if its unsafe, and no pilot is going to fly if he has a doubt either.

Pilots have families too!

I don't buy that totally. An airline is a business, you can't say there is no conflict between money and safety. Pilots can be pressured etc etc.

Hence why we have a lot of independent regulation of the aviation industry.

Yes pilots can be pressured, totally agree with you, and that's why they all have a union.

(I cannot believe I just defended the right of unionisation).

[Tangent Police]

tinman0 said:

SmoothRB said:

tinman0 said:

Tangent Police said:

This debate consists of 2 halves.

1/2 People who understand the need to err on the side of caution with this particular and not generic dust cloud, they need evidence to see that it is safe from an economic/mechanical point and a public safety point.

And who better than the airlines themselves?

Course they aren't going to risk putting planes up there if its unsafe, and no pilot is going to fly if he has a doubt either.

Pilots have families too!

I don't buy that totally. An airline is a business, you can't say there is no conflict between money and safety. Pilots can be pressured etc etc.

Hence why we have a lot of independent regulation of the aviation industry.

Yes pilots can be pressured, totally agree with you, and that's why they all have a union.

(I cannot believe I just defended the right of unionisation).

There is a lot of concern over on PPrune now. There are a lot of people unhappy with how this is being rolled out. From the points of the weather having not changed, pockets of dust still being there and the lack of any data relating to anything which has landed.

It strikes me that things are still up in the air and frankly, anything could happen. I have a plane tomorrow and I have to organise my st and leave in a while.

I haven't got a clue whether they'll turn around and say "right, game over until the SW blow on the weekend" or whether it really is all fine. The bottom line being that they don't know.

They've just decided to chuck MET's input away and look at a nicer hymnsheet. The good old good-think makes us think that the problem has gone whereas it's merely been swept under the carpet.

My concern is not that the plane will fall out of the sky or even lose and engine or get mild abrasion. That is improbable (I reckon) BUT since there is concern and debate over what the present situation consists of, I think it's quite possible it could change.

I want to see some fricking reports about how fked/unfked the engines in WW's planes are.

Their silence is deafening.

[DonkeyApple]

joe_90 said:

andy-xr said:

joe_90 said:

'Act of God'

Friends Dad is currently disputing with his insurers that his God wouldnt do that to anyone and is requesting proof that their God would

Good try, but fail.. Its nothing todo with a deity, its just a name for a load of 'get out of jail free' cards the insurance clowns managed to sneak past.

However, the Billy Conally film "The Man Who Sued God" was amusing.

I think this is why the clause changed some years back from Acto of God to Force Majuer?

Combine Force Majuer with Chaos Theory and an insurer could argue that no claim is payable due to a butterfly landing somewhere.

[elster]

cs02rm0 said:

What are they called? I'm not being facetious, genuinely interested.

Not too sure I would guess you would be wanting someone with knowledge of Materials Chemistry.