We got Rage Against the Machine to #1, we can get the Lib De

[Funk]

What's the betting that facebook page is part of LibDem strategy and actually put up by someone in or connected with the party?

[rhinochopig]

Soovy said:

The general populace of the UK is thick as sh t.

Fact.

I don't know, knocking out 10 kids so that you can live for free in the lap of luxury in a 10 bedroomed house, watching sky on your 60" plasma, shows some level of ingenuity.

[CommanderJameson]

Don said:

TankRizzo said:

I bet 99% of these new LibDem "converts" haven't even looked at their policies.
Oooh, he looks like a nice man. He's so shiny and smiley, and says such refreshing things from the other two. Let's vote for him.

Nick Clegg. The human equivalent of an iPhone.

Rubbish.

I can play Bejeweled Blitz on an iPhone, so it's at least of some use.

[Chimune]

off_again said:

Lib Dem's are nutters - their policies on most things are unfounded and barely cover the veneer of middle class apologist background that they really are. Nope - not for me. A wasted vote I am afraid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1529116/Lib...

Just one example.

Wow - from your link:

By Brendan Carlin, Political Correspondent
Published: 12:01AM BST 18 Sep 2006

Which 4 year old policies from the other two parties, should we be currently taking notice of ?

[10 Pence Short]

Chimune said:

off_again said:

Lib Dem's are nutters - their policies on most things are unfounded and barely cover the veneer of middle class apologist background that they really are. Nope - not for me. A wasted vote I am afraid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1529116/Lib...

Just one example.

Wow - from your link:

By Brendan Carlin, Political Correspondent
Published: 12:01AM BST 18 Sep 2006

Which 4 year old policies from the other two parties, should we be currently taking notice of ?

I think your point is one of the really crap things about modern media, gullible voters and politics.

If you look at each and every policy from each and every party, you're not going to find a single one who pleases you 100%. It isn't possible.

What you need to do is look at the attitude of a party as a whole and the principles it stands for. That's why 13 years ago people already knew we'd end up bankrupt through Labour. That's why we knew there'd be strikes and disappointment and blame.

That's also why we know the Liberals will be eccentric, loony and really not worth taking seriously- however slowly Nick Clegg speaks and writes peoples names and positions down whilst doing telly debates.

That's also why we know the only realistic way to get the country moving again is to bring back the Conservatives, who are always the ones who have to sort out the dire situation left behind. Lazy aholes and people who get a free ride under Labour always hate the Tories because its always those freebies the Tories know we cannot and should not afford.

[Tangent Police]

rhinochopig said:

Soovy said:

The general populace of the UK is thick as sh t.

Fact.

I don't know, knocking out 10 kids so that you can live for free in the lap of luxury in a 10 bedroomed house, watching sky on your 60" plasma, shows some level of ingenuity.

No, it's the equivalent of Gordon Brown and his awful socialist scum throwing seagulls your chips.

It is good time to be a seagull.

[anonymous-user]

the only liberal thing about them is how liberally they are going to redistribute the rapidly shrinking wealth of the country

[Chimune]

chimune said:

10 Pence Short said:

Lib Dem's are nutters - their policies on most things are unfounded and barely cover the veneer of middle class apologist background that they really are. Nope - not for me. A wasted vote I am afraid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1529116/Lib...

Just one example.

Wow - from your link:

By Brendan Carlin, Political Correspondent
Published: 12:01AM BST 18 Sep 2006

Which 4 year old policies from the other two parties, should we be currently taking notice of ?

10 Pence Short said:

I think your point is one of the really crap things about modern media, gullible voters and politics.

I think you missed my point.

10 Pence Short said:

If you look at each and every policy from each and every party, you're not going to find a single one who pleases you 100%. It isn't possible.

No, but it helps to at least look at the current policies before making a decision.

10 Pence Short said:

What you need to do is look at the attitude of a party as a whole and the principles it stands for. That's why 13 years ago people already knew we'd end up bankrupt through Labour. That's why we knew there'd be strikes and disappointment and blame.

That's also why we know the Liberals will be eccentric, loony and really not worth taking seriously- however slowly Nick Clegg speaks and writes peoples names and positions down whilst doing telly debates.

What your describing there, is stereotyping.

10 Pence Short said:

That's also why we know the only realistic way to get the country moving again is to bring back the Conservatives, who are always the ones who have to sort out the dire situation left behind. Lazy aholes and people who get a free ride under Labour always hate the Tories because its always those freebies the Tories know we cannot and should not afford.

Fine. Youre a Tory we know that now.

Edited by Chimune on Monday 19th April 17:26

[10 Pence Short]

Of course I'm stereotyping. That's because the parties do fit stereotypes. The Conservatives will support a free economy and smaller government, Labour will try to redistribute wealth and bunkrupt the country whilst doing so and the Liberals will utter a load of empty promises they'll never have to account for whilst wanting to tax anyone successful until they pop.

If you lose sight of the fact these stereotypes exist you're in danger of making decisions based upon personalities and individual policies, which is short sighted and not the best way to decide who should govern.

[JB!]

ugh.

one of my "friends" has popped up as a member... hovering over the delete button.

[Fittster]

10 Pence Short said:

Of course I'm stereotyping. That's because the parties do fit stereotypes. The Conservatives will support a free economy and smaller government, Labour will try to redistribute wealth and bunkrupt the country whilst doing so and the Liberals will utter a load of empty promises they'll never have to account for whilst wanting to tax anyone successful until they pop.

If you lose sight of the fact these stereotypes exist you're in danger of making decisions based upon personalities and individual policies, which is short sighted and not the best way to decide who should govern.

What if you lose sight if these age old ideologies have been abandoned so you can have the political holy grail of the middle ground?

[10 Pence Short]

I don't think they ever have been abandoned. 'New' Labour were still as left wing underneath as ever- look at where their funding comes from. The Conservatives aren't really any different in ideology, either; it's just the presentation in the media now being more focussed on style than ever.

If anything it's more important now than ever before to look at the party policies as a whole entity and look at the direction rather than pick out individual acts.

[VPower]

It is however very amusing watching CMD doing a typical Political knee-jerk pannic attack on the LibDems!

Does he not realise that this is just getting Cleggy more votes??

Saying a hung parliament is a disaster!! FFS!
What does that say? Better put the Lib Dems in with huge majority?


For me, Proportional Representation is worth the risk!

We just cannot carry on with people saying their vote does not count!
Every vote counts under PR!

Bloddy hell this election is getting as exciting as a dry F1 race!!!


ETA:- Typos

Edited by VPower on Monday 19th April 17:38

Edited by VPower on Monday 19th April 18:01

[JagLover]

Fittster said:

10 Pence Short said:

Of course I'm stereotyping. That's because the parties do fit stereotypes. The Conservatives will support a free economy and smaller government, Labour will try to redistribute wealth and bunkrupt the country whilst doing so and the Liberals will utter a load of empty promises they'll never have to account for whilst wanting to tax anyone successful until they pop.

If you lose sight of the fact these stereotypes exist you're in danger of making decisions based upon personalities and individual policies, which is short sighted and not the best way to decide who should govern.

What if you lose sight if these age old ideologies have been abandoned so you can have the political holy grail of the middle ground?

Labour's record on public spending and debt is even worse than the last time they were in power. Ignore the rehetoric and there is not that much dividing 'new' labour and its 70s counterpart.

[Fittster]

10 Pence Short said:

I don't think they ever have been abandoned. 'New' Labour were still as left wing underneath as ever- look at where their funding comes from. The Conservatives aren't really any different in ideology, either; it's just the presentation in the media now being more focussed on style than ever.

If anything it's more important now than ever before to look at the party policies as a whole entity and look at the direction rather than pick out individual acts.

But if a party doesn't have the courage to state it's ideology is it really worth voting for? I can find lots of threads on here which say "Don't vote for party X, they may say Y before the election but they will do X after they are in power".

New Labour had moved to the centre, the best example is the dumping of clause 4, a break from the past. Dave has not come up with anything radical, he is within a whisker of Labours spending.

If tough calls need to be made they are more likely to come from Dominique Strauss-Kahn than any of the PM candidates.

The people want the centre, tax the rich (people with more than them) and reform public services by sacking NHS managers. Of course it won't work but people won't take the medicine but they will be forced to take it by the bond market.

[Chimune]

10 Pence Short said:

If anything it's more important now than ever before to look at the party policies as a whole entity and look at the direction rather than pick out individual acts.

Ok - i cant tell if i am being whooshed here.

You want me to ignore the individual policies and vote according to a simple stereotype of each party ?

[anonymous-user]

I was going to raise this, but came here and found the thread already running.

I know 4 people who have signed up to this, one woman who was undecided until the debate last week and 3 Gay blokes.

I did point out to the girl the other night that I didn't think the future of the Country should be dictated by internet campaigns.

It is very scary as there are a lot of floaters out there who aren't interested in politics, but see a nice man who says what they want to hear and that is it.

I fear a hung parliament or Winky still staying in power. There are a lot of people out there who will just go a vote as a protest to the system.

Bearing in mind a high proportion of people on Facebook have the IQ of a turd, it is quite frightening.

There was an interview on the other night with one of the Lib Dem MP's not Clegg or Cable but one of the high up people, and the subject of Eurofighter came up.
Lib Dem Moron says we'll cancel it. Interviewer says they haven't been confirmed anyway so it is no real saving if it has not been confirmed anyway. Lib Dem Moron confirms the orders have been placed. Interviewer then says if they have been placed you are then going to be liable for fines if you cancel. Lib Dem Moron kept saying that they had done all the figures.

Worrying times.

[eldar]

Chimune said:

10 Pence Short said:

If anything it's more important now than ever before to look at the party policies as a whole entity and look at the direction rather than pick out individual acts.

Ok - i cant tell if i am being whooshed here.

You want me to ignore the individual policies and vote according to a simple stereotype of each party ?

Makes some sense. Policies come and go, or are just lies, like tuition fees or Euro elections. Really just window dressing, particularly in this election where none of the parties dare tell the truth about the economy.

Stereotyping, maybe, but you actually need to look at the core policies of the parties and what lies behind them. History and culture are valid to a greater or lesser extent.

[JB!]

just seen this too:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=111523105548...

Edited by JB! on Monday 19th April 20:14

[Tangent Police]

The only way we have a future as a country, as far as the economy is concerned is to get away from this social undemocratic madness that is westminster, all policy and the EU.

The only way forward is a return to libertarian capitalism post IMF.

Whatever gets elected is going to fall on it's face. The country is that fked.

Anyone got any corned beef for sale?