Has Cameron blown it?
Discussion
F i F said:
Gerald warner on the money as usual
[b]On Europe, the obvious Conservative policy would be to guarantee to hold two referenda within the lifetime of the next parliament. The first, to be held within six months of taking office, would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Yes, it would be a referendum on an already ratified treaty – AS WAS THE ONLY PRECEDENT, THE 1975 REFERENDUM ON EUROPE, after smirking Head Teeth misled us into the EEC. If the answer turned out to be No to Lisbon, Britain would unilaterally derogate from its provisions, followed by a further referendum on continued membership, Yes or No, of the European Union.
Other obvious policies would include the abolition of 90 per cent of quangos; the repeal by a single-clause Bill of all PC laws passed by Labour since 1997 as listed in an annexed schedule; an end of tinkering with the constitution but a Draconian crack-down instead on financial fraud by members of both Houses of Parliament with all offences criminalised; the scrapping of all proposed taxes, subsidies and other measures relating to the global warming myth; a referendum on the restoration of capital punishment; and the imposition of punitive sentencing for criminals, with victim status restored to the person against whom the offence was committed, instead of the perpetrator.[/b]
I doubt that this will happen for a very, very long time. CMD is seen as the lesser of two evils, this is simply not good enough. People are all ready for change but see politics as more of the same, no-one is sticking their heads above the parapet and saying they will implemetn drastic change. Although the Lib Dems are wanting to scrap ID cards and biometric passports, which is a start to remove the big brother influence a bit.[b]On Europe, the obvious Conservative policy would be to guarantee to hold two referenda within the lifetime of the next parliament. The first, to be held within six months of taking office, would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Yes, it would be a referendum on an already ratified treaty – AS WAS THE ONLY PRECEDENT, THE 1975 REFERENDUM ON EUROPE, after smirking Head Teeth misled us into the EEC. If the answer turned out to be No to Lisbon, Britain would unilaterally derogate from its provisions, followed by a further referendum on continued membership, Yes or No, of the European Union.
Other obvious policies would include the abolition of 90 per cent of quangos; the repeal by a single-clause Bill of all PC laws passed by Labour since 1997 as listed in an annexed schedule; an end of tinkering with the constitution but a Draconian crack-down instead on financial fraud by members of both Houses of Parliament with all offences criminalised; the scrapping of all proposed taxes, subsidies and other measures relating to the global warming myth; a referendum on the restoration of capital punishment; and the imposition of punitive sentencing for criminals, with victim status restored to the person against whom the offence was committed, instead of the perpetrator.[/b]
Balmoral Green said:
Theresa Villiers is certainly doing her best to put people off, if that's the standard of a minister in waiting. Pathetic.
Exactly and to slag Labour off for the closed airspace situation chaos is a very cheap and low blow which may rebound. Much as I hate Labour every sodding EU country has been in similar chaos as UK has, except that UK travellers have the problem of getting across the sea. All other European countries can get home overland. Other people have had even less assistance than UK travellers in my experience.
OK Winky didn't help himself by trying to big up the Madrid hub and 150 coaches without making it clear this was for InterContinental traffic and people already on mainland were expected to make their own way however they could overland. So messages could have been clearer admittedly.
F i F said:
OK Winky didn't help himself by trying to big up the Madrid hub and 150 coaches without making it clear this was for InterContinental traffic and people already on mainland were expected to make their own way however they could overland. So messages could have been clearer admittedly.
That and saying they were there at the time when they were 2 days away from leaving the UK.[quote=V8mate
The people need someone they can get behind. Someone they can believe in and trust and share a vision with. That person can surround themselves with bland but skilled practitioners, but the leader needs to be just that.
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I agree - Ken Clarke could have swept away all in his path, fantastic speaker and a gentleman. It could have given the people an elder statesman to vote for as well rather than another young spin doctor
The people need someone they can get behind. Someone they can believe in and trust and share a vision with. That person can surround themselves with bland but skilled practitioners, but the leader needs to be just that.
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I agree - Ken Clarke could have swept away all in his path, fantastic speaker and a gentleman. It could have given the people an elder statesman to vote for as well rather than another young spin doctor
Einion Yrth said:
Office_Monkey said:
Although the Lib Dems are wanting to scrap ID cards and biometric passports, which is a start to remove the big brother influence a bit.
You do realise that this has been for a very long time, and remains, Conservative party policy, don't you?JRM said:
V8mate said:
The people need someone they can get behind. Someone they can believe in and trust and share a vision with. That person can surround themselves with bland but skilled practitioners, but the leader needs to be just that.
I agree - Ken Clarke could have swept away all in his path, fantastic speaker and a gentleman. It could have given the people an elder statesman to vote for as well rather than another young spin doctorJRM said:
V8mate said:
The people need someone they can get behind. Someone they can believe in and trust and share a vision with. That person can surround themselves with bland but skilled practitioners, but the leader needs to be just that.
I agree - Ken Clarke could have swept away all in his path, fantastic speaker and a gentleman. It could have given the people an elder statesman to vote for as well rather than another young spin doctorNext you'll be calling for the return of past failures Hague and IDS.
Edited by Fittster on Wednesday 21st April 15:42
I watched "Border Patrol" last night - the programme about weeding out dodgy entrants to the country.
These "entrants" are so clever that they run rings around the immigration officers. if I was Cameron, I'd want to show clips from these programmes to show how ridiculous the situation has become where Britain's being mocked at for being such a soft target.
I'd want to say we will close all these loopholes for they do not serve the interests of the good people of this country. Even the immigrants would support these measures.
Ideally ,although Britain is a tolerant country, we are going to halt immigration for the currency of the next parliament. This may cause incovenience, but our essential services need time to catch up with the immigration we have already suffered. And we are a small island.
Or something to that effect (limit immigration to 10k per annum?) to show people he really cares for the current people of the country....
These "entrants" are so clever that they run rings around the immigration officers. if I was Cameron, I'd want to show clips from these programmes to show how ridiculous the situation has become where Britain's being mocked at for being such a soft target.
I'd want to say we will close all these loopholes for they do not serve the interests of the good people of this country. Even the immigrants would support these measures.
Ideally ,although Britain is a tolerant country, we are going to halt immigration for the currency of the next parliament. This may cause incovenience, but our essential services need time to catch up with the immigration we have already suffered. And we are a small island.
Or something to that effect (limit immigration to 10k per annum?) to show people he really cares for the current people of the country....
JonRB said:
Fittster said:
Next you'll be calling for the return of past failures Hague and IDS.
Presumably you missed the part of this thread where we discussed Hague at length?allgonepetetong said:
V8mate said:
John Redmond (Mr Spock) was an outstanding politician and would have given the economy the focus it needed. But charismatic leader? No chance.
He was so uncharismatic that you can't even remeber his name. It was Redwood by the way.
Anyone remember that episode of Mr Bean where he's denied sight of the hymnbook and has to mumble along..?Edit to fix quoting f
k-up.Edited by Funk on Wednesday 21st April 16:54
Dave Angel said:
grumbledoak said:
It won't happen. These people are effectively being paid not to kick off. Any attempt to reduce their 'pay' will be spun in the MSM and stoked behind the scenes.
The unemployed/unemployable are now a sizeable influential group. Any move to substantially cut their benefits would lead to serious civil unrest IMHO, what would they have to lose? 
Wadeski said:
They might as well just start copy-pasting the previous manifesto - fine if they want to compete with UKIP, but do they think benefits scroungers are any more of an issue with the middle ground than under hague or howard?
Ayahuasca said:
Fittster said:
Next you'll be calling for the return of past failures Hague and IDS.
I had forgotten about IDS! Hague would be far more electable than Call Me Bland.
Edited by Halb on Wednesday 21st April 17:12
Halb said:
Dave Angel said:
grumbledoak said:
It won't happen. These people are effectively being paid not to kick off. Any attempt to reduce their 'pay' will be spun in the MSM and stoked behind the scenes.
The unemployed/unemployable are now a sizeable influential group. Any move to substantially cut their benefits would lead to serious civil unrest IMHO, what would they have to lose? Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff