SNP

[Dixie68]

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

[Mojocvh]

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

Interesting about turn by the nationalist MP's at Westminster if that is the case...............

[fluffnik]

The SNP would rather there was no Scottish presence in Westminster nor Westminster authority in Scotland, but until that comes to pass what else should they do but work it?

[deevlash]

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

tough st, its a UK parliament, start campaigning for an English Assembly if you really want.

[Blue Meanie]

deevlash said:

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

tough st, its a UK parliament, start campaigning for an English Assembly if you really want.

...or dissolve the Scottish parliament. Job done.

[5unny]

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

But their parliament is powerless when it comes to things like defence, tax and law & order so why shouldn't they sit in Westminster where matters like this are discussed and voted on?

[Blue Meanie]

5unny said:

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

But their parliament is powerless when it comes to things like defence, tax and law & order so why shouldn't they sit in Westminster where matters like this are discussed and voted on?

Because English constituent MP's do not sit in and vote on purely Scottish matters. It's the old West Lothian question.

[deevlash]

Blue Meanie said:

deevlash said:

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

tough st, its a UK parliament, start campaigning for an English Assembly if you really want.

...or dissolve the Scottish parliament. Job done.

suits me, but it wouldnt some the OP's problem in this case as the SNP could still hold sway in a hung parliament.

[Blue Meanie]

deevlash said:

Blue Meanie said:

deevlash said:

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

tough st, its a UK parliament, start campaigning for an English Assembly if you really want.

...or dissolve the Scottish parliament. Job done.

suits me, but it wouldnt some the OP's problem in this case as the SNP could still hold sway in a hung parliament.

But it would solve the 'Scottish MP's voting on English and Wales matters only', issue... and vice versa.

[ninja-lewis]

Blue Meanie said:

5unny said:

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

But their parliament is powerless when it comes to things like defence, tax and law & order so why shouldn't they sit in Westminster where matters like this are discussed and voted on?

Because English constituent MP's do not sit in and vote on purely Scottish matters. It's the old West Lothian question.

Except both Defence and taxes affect Scotland every bit as much as England (law and order not so much). However, the SNP abstain from votes on purely English matters, an approach that hopefully the Conservatives will try to formalise (Labour definitely won't and Lib Dems probably wouldn't either).

[Mojocvh]

ninja-lewis said:

Blue Meanie said:

5unny said:

Dixie68 said:

Hopefully not a repost - hard to search on my iPhone...
So the SNP are hoping for a hung parliament so they can have more power in Westminster. Now hold on a cotton-picking minute, haven't they got their OWN bloody parliament? I don't want a party that's stated aim is to promote Scotland above all others to be making decisions that affect us English, Welsh or Irish.

But their parliament is powerless when it comes to things like defence, tax and law & order so why shouldn't they sit in Westminster where matters like this are discussed and voted on?

Because English constituent MP's do not sit in and vote on purely Scottish matters. It's the old West Lothian question.

Except both Defence and taxes affect Scotland every bit as much as England (law and order not so much). However, the SNP abstain from votes on purely English matters, an approach that hopefully the Conservatives will try to formalise (Labour definitely won't and Lib Dems probably wouldn't either).

Exactly, about time this pathetic lie was put to rest here.

[Blue Meanie]

It's not a matter of the SNP on the West Lothian debate. They are not the only MP's that deal in Scottish matters. Remember the Tuition fee fiasco?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/343276...

[Mojocvh]

Blue Meanie said:

It's not a matter of the SNP on the West Lothian debate. They are not the only MP's that deal in Scottish matters. Remember the Tuition fee fiasco?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/343276...

Students from south of the border, complicated grants/loans fiasco, it's not so difficult to understand that "other parties" had a valid interest.

[Blue Meanie]

Mojocvh said:

Blue Meanie said:

It's not a matter of the SNP on the West Lothian debate. They are not the only MP's that deal in Scottish matters. Remember the Tuition fee fiasco?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/343276...

Students from south of the border, complicated grants/loans fiasco, it's not so difficult to understand that "other parties" had a valid interest.

Nope... Scottish student in Scotland never had it, yet English and Welsh students south of the border ARE charged. The Scottish MP's voted FOR an issue only in England and Wales that had NO effect on their own constituencies. You don't see that as wrong?

[ninja-lewis]

Blue Meanie said:

Mojocvh said:

Blue Meanie said:

It's not a matter of the SNP on the West Lothian debate. They are not the only MP's that deal in Scottish matters. Remember the Tuition fee fiasco?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/343276...

Students from south of the border, complicated grants/loans fiasco, it's not so difficult to understand that "other parties" had a valid interest.

Nope... Scottish student in Scotland never had it, yet English and Welsh students south of the border ARE charged. The Scottish MP's voted FOR an issue only in England and Wales that had NO effect on their own constituencies. You don't see that as wrong?

Although I agree that it was wrong that Labour whipped their Scottish MPs to get the support to pass the bill, that particular issue (University Education) is perhaps not the best example of the West Lothian question. Scottish students attending an UK university outside of Scotland, of course have to pay tuition fees like any other UK student. And Scottish MPs may of course represent English students attending Scottish universities in their constituencies (40% of Edinburgh Uni students are English for example).

So in that particular case I don't think it was wrong for some Scottish MPs to take part in the vote (as it applied to their constituents as well) but I do thoroughly disagree with the way the Government used them to force the bill through in the face of English opposition.

[Blue Meanie]

ninja-lewis said:

Scottish students attending an UK university outside of Scotland, of course have to pay tuition fees like any other UK student. And Scottish MPs may of course represent English students attending Scottish universities in their constituencies (40% of Edinburgh Uni students are English for example).

So in that particular case I don't think it was wrong for some Scottish MPs to take part in the vote (as it applied to their constituents as well) but I do thoroughly disagree with the way the Government used them to force the bill through in the face of English opposition.

And English students studying in their home country? They get charged. How is that fair? Do English Student going to Scotland get it free? No they don't.

So you have a situation whereby a Scottish student can get their education without top-up fees, and an English Student will be charged no matter.

[fluffnik]

Blue Meanie said:

It's not a matter of the SNP on the West Lothian debate. They are not the only MP's that deal in Scottish matters. Remember the Tuition fee fiasco?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/343276...

So:

England needs an anti-unionist party too.

[Blue Meanie]

fluffnik said:

Blue Meanie said:

It's not a matter of the SNP on the West Lothian debate. They are not the only MP's that deal in Scottish matters. Remember the Tuition fee fiasco?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/343276...

So:

England needs an anti-unionist party too.

Yup, as deevlash suggested, or just devolve the other parliaments, and run the lot from Westminster. Either way will be better than the present situation.

Unfortunately the Campaign for an English parliament is seen as somewhat crackpot.

Edited by Blue Meanie on Wednesday 21st April 01:49

[MX7]

fluffnik said:

England needs an anti-unionist party too.

http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/

I was just having a look at the SNP web site.

"Off our east coast lies Norway, the second most prosperous country in the world. Off our west coast lies Ireland, the fourth most prosperous country in the world. Off our north coast lies Iceland, the sixth most prosperous country in the world."

Edited by MX7 on Wednesday 21st April 02:06

[Mojocvh]

MX7 said:

fluffnik said:

England needs an anti-unionist party too.

http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/

I was just having a look at the SNP web site.

"Off our east coast lies Norway, the second most prosperous country in the world. Off our west coast lies Ireland, the fourth most prosperous country in the world. Off our north coast lies Iceland, the sixth most prosperous country in the world."

Edited by MX7 on Wednesday 21st April 02:06

Well sums them up.