Man goes "Harry Brown" or "Promising footballer" tradgedy
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okgo said:
If the son had grown up with that father he would be just as big a 
as his father was.
Death is rarely the answer, but heat of the moment, and all that, he happened to die. Live by the sword and all that. Pun intended.
I understand, but I still think they are both in the wrong and that Michael shouldn't get off guilt-free. as his father was.Death is rarely the answer, but heat of the moment, and all that, he happened to die. Live by the sword and all that. Pun intended.
Eta: forgot his name.
Edited by North West Tom on Wednesday 21st April 11:01
North West Tom said:
okgo said:
Frankeh said:
Who here hasn't pissed somewhere they shouldn't have while drunk? I don't think getting stabbed is the answer. Maybe a punch or something, but stabbed to death? Come now.
He was probably an utter anyway that had a string of offences. Who cares.I'm not sticking up for this chap. He probably was a d
head, but there was no need for death. I am absolutely appauled at some of the comments in this thread. You're getting a laugh out of a murder? What a disgrace.
If I was in the 52-year old's position, I don't know what I'd do, but I certainly wouldn't go and kill him.
As I said, I'm not sticking up for him, I just think death wasn't the right thing.
I dont doubt for one moment that the homeowner decided to kill him in a premeditated way, but decided to confront him, scaring him off, but was then attacked and it was more self defence rather than going out to stab someone.
But then the deceased is such a nice person and a loving father that instead of being with his GF/wife and son... he decides to spend his evening getting pissed and pissing through someones letter box...
North West Tom said:
okgo said:
Frankeh said:
Who here hasn't pissed somewhere they shouldn't have while drunk? I don't think getting stabbed is the answer. Maybe a punch or something, but stabbed to death? Come now.
He was probably an utter anyway that had a string of offences. Who cares.I'm not sticking up for this chap. He probably was a d
head, but there was no need for death. I am absolutely appauled at some of the comments in this thread. You're getting a laugh out of a murder? What a disgrace.
If I was in the 52-year old's position, I don't know what I'd do, but I certainly wouldn't go and kill him.
As I said, I'm not sticking up for him, I just think death wasn't the right thing.
I find it unacceptable, who in their right mind would do something like pissing through his letter box?
Its disgraceful, I'm 20 and would never, ever in my dreams think of doing something so cretinous as that, let alone if any of my 'friends' thought they'd do the same I'd also be disgraced.
While I certainly wouldn't be celebrating the loss of life I'll freely admit that I don't think it was the worst case outcome of this.
If the stories of what the bunch of lads were doing are true then you certainly won't get any outrage from me about his death - I don't for a minute think that the old man set out to kill them but when presented by superior numbers of threatening people it's very easy for defensive instincts to get out of hand this is part of the risk people like this lad run when they choose to go around behaving like this and to be blunt if anyone was going to have to be seriously injured or killed in incidents like this I'd rather it was the perpetrator of the threatening behaviour.
If the stories of what the bunch of lads were doing are true then you certainly won't get any outrage from me about his death - I don't for a minute think that the old man set out to kill them but when presented by superior numbers of threatening people it's very easy for defensive instincts to get out of hand this is part of the risk people like this lad run when they choose to go around behaving like this and to be blunt if anyone was going to have to be seriously injured or killed in incidents like this I'd rather it was the perpetrator of the threatening behaviour.
It must be terrifying to live on one of these estates and be a victim of repeated continual abuse from the local yobs. I imagine it just keeps on and on and gets more and more intimidating. I can also imagine just having enough and snapping, it's not a unique emotion to snap after months or years of being tormented by these morons.
I don't think this guys death will be a great loss to the country somehow.
maxrider said:
okgo said:
maxrider said:
okgo said:
maxrider said:
"Gtr Manchester" 
what?thole as part of Manchester or something? If you mean "same old manchester, always a sthole" then fair enough 
okgo said:
maxrider said:
okgo said:
maxrider said:
okgo said:
maxrider said:
"Gtr Manchester"
what?thole as part of Manchester or something? If you mean "same old manchester, always a sthole" then fair enough 
Ever been to an Oasis gig? 
anonymous said:
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What a well thought out an balanced retort 
oh and by the way your father was a hamster and your mother smelled of elderberries 
But seriously, I just think that when a society gets to the stage where it applauds the death of one of its members then there is something seriously wrong. Yes this guy seems to have been scum, but I would rather have seen him punished properly for his previous crimes to the extent that he might have considered and alternative lifestyle and then the situation needn't have arisen.
I have believed for a long time that a penalty point system should apply to all serious crimes, once you reach a certain threshold its an automatic five year sentence ON TOP OF what you've already got, continue to offend it goes up to 10 years etc... and it should be constructive time too, you should spend time helping on community projects (supervised obviously) doing work that means you give something back to the society you wronged. It should be compulsory too to attend some form of counselling to try to get to the root of your issues. We should attempt to repair these individuals, if they show no interest in being rehabilitation and continue to offend then lock them up long term.
Yes this guy was no angel, but the point I'm making is that he is a symptom of an ill society, there should be measures in place to ensure that it never (or at least very seldom) comes to this, the fact that people are rejoicing in his death just makes it worse in my opinion. Yes he was wrong to be where he was and yes, the other man has a right to defend himself and his property (in my book anyway), but it doesn't make it right that someone died n'or does it make it ok to joke about it.
patmahe said:
But seriously, I just think that when a society gets to the stage where it applauds the death of one of its members then there is something seriously wrong. Yes this guy seems to have been scum, but I would rather have seen him punished properly for his previous crimes to the extent that he might have considered and alternative lifestyle and then the situation needn't have arisen.
We have always been at that stage in our society, we used to have public hangings. It has toned down in the past century.okgo said:
maxrider said:
okgo said:
maxrider said:
okgo said:
maxrider said:
"Gtr Manchester"
what?thole as part of Manchester or something? If you mean "same old manchester, always a sthole" then fair enough patmahe
HAve you not realised these horrid little wkers don't care about the law? It doesn't work for these people. Hence why another one dead is often the only way to get them out of that mindset. A bit barbaric but its the only way some of these punks will stop being a burden to society.
HAve you not realised these horrid little w
kers don't care about the law? It doesn't work for these people. Hence why another one dead is often the only way to get them out of that mindset. A bit barbaric but its the only way some of these punks will stop being a burden to society.okgo said:
patmahe
HAve you not realised these horrid little wkers don't care about the law? It doesn't work for these people. Hence why another one dead is often the only way to get them out of that mindset. A bit barbaric but its the only way some of these punks will stop being a burden to society.
Fine, as I said in my post if they show no interest in being rehabilitated then lock them up long term and put them to some use, don't stab them in the streets.HAve you not realised these horrid little w
kers don't care about the law? It doesn't work for these people. Hence why another one dead is often the only way to get them out of that mindset. A bit barbaric but its the only way some of these punks will stop being a burden to society.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff