Should everyone be allowed to vote?

Should everyone be allowed to vote?

Poll: Should everyone be allowed to vote?

Total Members Polled: 153

Yes of course we're not facists: 35%
No - should be a political knowledge hurdle: 65%
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NailedOn

3,114 posts

236 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Davi said:
Mazda Baiter said:
Zod said:
I think the test should be whether you can properly use "to" and "too". hehe
To, too and two.
There, their and they're.

"Can you, the potential voter, form one correct sentence using these three forms of the same sounding word?"


There, their and they're.


"Can you, the potential voter, form one correct sentence using these three forms of the same sounding word?"


Half of PH would fail this test. hehe
Is it just me that reading that post is thinking 'fail'? wink
Yes

NailedOn

3,114 posts

236 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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I have an acquaintance who is mentally disabled. Lovely girl, bubbly, the rest. Likes CBBC. Mental age of 6. On the electoral register and will vote according to her favourite colour!
Methinks that this cannot be right.

MOTORVATOR

6,993 posts

248 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
That may be a bit extreme but....


Long Term Benefits (more than say 6 months) = No Vote.

Prison (despite what Eu says) = No Vote.

Trouble with law (Criminal) in previous 5 Years = No Vote.

Lived in country less than 5 Years = No Vote.

Scottish = No Vote (well one for there own but that one doesn't count in our parliament).

IQ less than 90 = No Vote.

Long term subsidised housing = No Vote.

Ginger = No Vote.

People with glandular disorders that involve a requirement to eat four times as much as a normal human being = No Vote.

Gay (unless lesbian and fit) = No Vote.

Unable to understand how to construct a sentance utilising OED words = No Vote.

Child called Chardonnay etc = 1 Vote but the vote is taken as a negative.

Welsh = No Vote but receives a letter of sympathy from incoming new PM (joined up writing optional).

That should sort it.


Edited by MOTORVATOR on Wednesday 21st April 21:09

Strangely Brown

10,097 posts

232 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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MOTORVATOR said:
Unale to understand how to construct a sentance utilising OED words = No Vote.
You knew that would happen didn't you. hehe


Kermit power

28,705 posts

214 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
I'd agree with that.

The rallying call of the American Revolution - "No taxation without representation". I agree completely with that, but I equally believe the reverse should be true.

It doesn't have to be complicated, and the amount of taxation you pay shouldn't have a bearing on how much weight your vote carries, but I see absolutely no reason at all why anyone should have a right to influence how tax money is spent without contributing to it first.

My qualification to vote would be that you've paid income tax of at least £1,000 a year for 5 years or longer. It's not a huge amount, but it doesn't need to be. It just needs to be enough to make people think about how their money should be spent.

Balmoral Green

40,967 posts

249 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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A simple multiple choice questionnaire to get through before you can have your voting slip, not complicated and doesn't take more than a couple of minutes, as they have in some Scandinavian countries.

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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MOTORVATOR said:
Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
That may be a bit extreme but....


Long Term Benefits (more than say 6 months) = No Vote.

Prison (despite what Eu says) = No Vote.

Trouble with law (Criminal) in previous 5 Years = No Vote.

Lived in country less than 5 Years = No Vote.

Scottish = No Vote (well one for there own but that one doesn't count in our parliament).

IQ less than 90 = No Vote.

Long term subsidised housing = No Vote.

Ginger = No Vote.

People with glandular disorders that involve a requirement to eat four times as much as a normal human being = No Vote.

Gay (unless lesbian and fit) = No Vote.

Unable to understand how to construct a sentance utilising OED words = No Vote.

Child called Chardonnay etc = 1 Vote but the vote is taken as a negative.

Welsh = No Vote but receives a letter of sympathy from incoming new PM (joined up writing optional).

That should sort it.
And no vote for women too, right?

They can't even decide what to choose from a menu or what to wear in the morning. How can we possibly trust them to elect an appropriate government?

sassthathoopie

Original Poster:

872 posts

216 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Balmoral Green said:
A simple multiple choice questionnaire to get through before you can have your voting slip, not complicated and doesn't take more than a couple of minutes, as they have in some Scandinavian countries.
more info please

MOTORVATOR

6,993 posts

248 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Strangely Brown said:
MOTORVATOR said:
Unale to understand how to construct a sentance utilising OED words = No Vote.
You knew that would happen didn't you. hehe
Would I get away with claiming it was intentional?biggrin

MOTORVATOR

6,993 posts

248 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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V8mate said:
And no vote for women too, right?

They can't even decide what to choose from a menu or what to wear in the morning. How can we possibly trust them to elect an appropriate government?
My labrador has more political intelligence than.... Let's not go down that route, we've seen a few threads recently eh?smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
out of of 61 million people there are 26 million tax payers

39 million are aged 18 to 65 and of the 26 million tax payers nearly 6 million are pensioners

so of working age adults only half pay any income tax at all yikes

Edited by fbrs on Thursday 22 April 02:32

fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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I'd exclude the religious and the innumerate.

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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fluffnik said:
I'd exclude the religious ...
yes

Anyone who believes in God (all formats), Father Christmas, Superman etc.

OneDs

1,628 posts

177 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
I agree with this in principle however as mentioned the is problem tax is imbedded in every fabric of our society from petrol to clothes to "luxury food", it is impossible to avoid.

We could have a much better, simplier and fairer tax regieme but that would put 1,000's out work and make it more difficult for govt to raise income through stealth methods.

It would be better to exclude those who's net NI, Income & Cap Gains contribution is less than any benefits claimed.

Edited by OneDs on Thursday 22 April 09:31

Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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fbrs said:
Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
out of of 61 million people there are 26 million tax payers

39 million are aged 18 to 65 and of the 26 million tax payers nearly 6 million are pensioners

so of working age adults only half pay any income tax at all yikes

Edited by fbrs on Thursday 22 April 02:32
Well that's income tax. Everyone pays tax (for example VAT or duty on booze).

MOTORVATOR

6,993 posts

248 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Fittster said:
fbrs said:
Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
out of of 61 million people there are 26 million tax payers

39 million are aged 18 to 65 and of the 26 million tax payers nearly 6 million are pensioners

so of working age adults only half pay any income tax at all yikes

Edited by fbrs on Thursday 22 April 02:32
Well that's income tax. Everyone pays tax (for example VAT or duty on booze).
I'm not sure I can agree that logic.

I am receiving state benefits in the sum of £scary and when I go to stock up on fags and booze with this free money, I pay a disproportionately high amount of duty and VAT in comparison to food and shelter.

Therefore I am a higher rate taxpayer.

My tax planning accountant has advised me to divert some of the money to completely tax free items such as crack cocaine to bring me below the threshold. wink

Kermit power

28,705 posts

214 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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fbrs said:
Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
out of of 61 million people there are 26 million tax payers

39 million are aged 18 to 65 and of the 26 million tax payers nearly 6 million are pensioners

so of working age adults only half pay any income tax at all yikes
I think you need to take out the people who choose not to be in employment and aren't a drain on society.

My wife doesn't work as we have 3 kids under the age of 8, but she has worked and paid tax in the past, plus we take the pain of it now and don't take a penny in benefits for the privilege.

It would be interesting to know how many true adult spongers there are.

Mazda Baiter

37,068 posts

189 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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NailedOn said:
I have an acquaintance who is mentally disabled. Lovely girl, bubbly, the rest. Likes CBBC. Mental age of 6. On the electoral register and will vote according to her favourite colour!
Methinks that this cannot be right.
Just tell her that Tinky Winky is her favorite Tellytubby. That should get the sensible vote through.

Silverbullet767

10,715 posts

207 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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IQ test. Your score determines how much weight your vote has.

OneDs

1,628 posts

177 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Kermit power said:
fbrs said:
Fittster said:
fbrs said:
no tax, no vote. shouldnt get a say on how its spent if you haven't contributed.
Are you trying to tell me there are adults in the UK who don't pay tax?
out of of 61 million people there are 26 million tax payers

39 million are aged 18 to 65 and of the 26 million tax payers nearly 6 million are pensioners

so of working age adults only half pay any income tax at all yikes
I think you need to take out the people who choose not to be in employment and aren't a drain on society.

My wife doesn't work as we have 3 kids under the age of 8, but she has worked and paid tax in the past, plus we take the pain of it now and don't take a penny in benefits for the privilege.

It would be interesting to know how many true adult spongers there are.
Fine do the calculation on a household. Also depending on size of personal pensions rather than state pensions the £6m OAP could still be net contributors so I say it sticks with them too.

Edited by OneDs on Thursday 22 April 12:04