How do we think tonight's debate will go?

How do we think tonight's debate will go?

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Iain H

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390 posts

194 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Will Clegg get hammered for wanting to scrap Trident and enter the Euro? Will Brown get a hard time over Iraq and Afganistan? Will Clegg and Brown gang up on Cameron?

It could be interesting, both Labour and the Lib Dems have dodgy track records or policies, but I am not clear where the Tories stand on their Foreign policy so it will be interesting to see what Cameron has to say.

It will be interesting to see how tonights debate affects the polls in the next week. But surely the most important debate is the one on the Economy next week.

V88Dicky

7,305 posts

184 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Tonight's debate being on foreign affairs/defence, I'd expect Cameron to absolutely wipe the floor with the other two. If he doesn't there'll be hell to pay.

Three simple things for him to mention;

1) The Euro

2) The scrapping of Trident hippy

3) Brown's constant cutting of the defence budget. (Its now smaller than our interest payments on the UK's debt FFS!)

Silverbullet767

10,715 posts

207 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Nick Clegg will be standing in the middle podium tonight, so expect him to get ganged up on, that only leaves winky for the final debate to be standing in the middle, just perfect timing for the polls.

shoot

Iain H

Original Poster:

390 posts

194 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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The pressure is. Definately on Cameron to perform tonnight. He certainly has enough ammunition.

cs02rm0

13,812 posts

192 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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I expect the BBC to say Clegg won, Brown was full of substance (st perhaps) and Cameron's worried and probably out of the running so voting for him's almost like wasting your time.

Puggit

48,508 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Silverbullet767 said:
Nick Clegg will be standing in the middle podium tonight, so expect him to get ganged up on, that only leaves winky for the final debate to be standing in the middle, just perfect timing for the polls.

shoot
Nope.

Because he's Winky, he gets to stand at the end the whole time - otherwise he wouldn't be able to see them!

SmoothRB

1,700 posts

173 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Silverbullet767 said:
Nick Clegg will be standing in the middle podium tonight, so expect him to get ganged up on, that only leaves winky for the final debate to be standing in the middle, just perfect timing for the polls.

shoot
Brown has to go on the left 'cos of his eye.

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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anonymous said:
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Yep. Gordon and Dave will do relatively much better than in the last one as they will have coached into raising their game. And they will go for Clegg's political jugular every time they get the slightest chance.

JagLover

42,492 posts

236 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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The Lib Dems are vulnerable as the most Pro-EU party, the question is whether CMD can capitalise.

cs02rm0

13,812 posts

192 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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But should he capitalise by reinforcing to us that they don't want to go into Europe, or by avoiding the issue and not reminding some of those undecided lefties...

loltolhurst

1,994 posts

185 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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they will all attack clegg like the newspapers this morning to finish him off as a real choice


JRM

2,043 posts

233 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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loltolhurst said:
they will all attack clegg like the newspapers this morning to finish him off as a real choice
Hope so, they both gang up on him.

However Labour may see his popularity as taking Tory votes, not theirs. i.e. people are voting against Brown, so if they split their votes between 2 parties instead of 1, Labour could retain power - although heaven only knows why they would want to

Jonny671

29,401 posts

190 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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JRM said:
loltolhurst said:
they will all attack clegg like the newspapers this morning to finish him off as a real choice
Hope so, they both gang up on him.

However Labour may see his popularity as taking Tory votes, not theirs. i.e. people are voting against Brown, so if they split their votes between 2 parties instead of 1, Labour could retain power - although heaven only knows why they would want to
I also think they both dismissed him last week as not going to get anywhere, I think hes suprised them abit, and can see both of him going for him tonight.

I do think Cameron will come out ontop this week.

TankRizzo

7,285 posts

194 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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I think both Labour and Tories will wait for the other to make the first move against Clegg.

Nobody will want to be seen to attack the "golden boy" first.

king arthur

6,584 posts

262 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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I don't think the scrapping of Trident is the big vote loser for the LibDems that everyone here thinks it is. I think once again, Clegg will come out on top with Cameron a distant second.

XJR40

5,983 posts

214 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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I imagine it'll go better for Brown and Cameron this time around, they will have wised up to Clegg's style and will be ready to take a pop at him at any oportunity.

I think it's a chance to be more statesman-like and primisterial. I think there'll be less of Cameron's "I met so and so in the pub the other day and they told me...", and less of Brown's "tractor production up" figures, more squinting down the camera.

Puggit

48,508 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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king arthur said:
I don't think the scrapping of Trident is the big vote loser for the LibDems that everyone here thinks it is. I think once again, Clegg will come out on top with Cameron a distant second.
No, but Europe most certainly is!

JCB123

2,265 posts

197 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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It's in Cameroooons best interest to keep chillaxed and let Brown and Clegg get all tongue tied in being pro-europe. A simple smile and not reacting to Browns attacks accompanied by the odd 'this is what we'll do' should see him safely through this, and the last debate.

Puggit

48,508 posts

249 months

king arthur

6,584 posts

262 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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JCB123 said:
It's in Cameroooons best interest to keep chillaxed and let Brown and Clegg get all tongue tied in being pro-europe. A simple smile and not reacting to Browns attacks accompanied by the odd 'this is what we'll do' should see him safely through this, and the last debate.
That's what he did last week and it didn't work. Cameron is in a difficult position - attack Brown and it just looks like the same old problem of the old parties arguing with each other, attack Clegg and it looks like he's attacking the new golden wonderboy.

I thought to myself yesterday the best thing the Tories can do right now is wheel out Ken Clarke and lo and behold that's what they did, but as for Cameron, I can't think of a clear strategy. All he can do is reinforce that he's not the same as Brown, reinforce that he's not like the old Tories of the 90s, and point out that he's a better bet for change than Clegg because he's not leading a party full of dreamers - which goes back to the wheeling out of Ken Clarke who I would hope many in the country will remember as being a capable chancellor.

Edited by king arthur on Thursday 22 April 13:50