If William Hague was Tory Leader
Discussion
Jasandjules said:
Diderot said:
And he's completely lost the plot about MMGW and all things eco-mentalist.
And this is my main concern with a Tory/Lib Dem coalition. More eco b
ks taxation.The reason why CMD is where he is, because of his youth and image. This nation is obsessed with style and generally doesn't give a toss about substance. Intelligence and ability don't win votes. What the average chav thinks of the way you look and carry yourself is far more important. Oh, and ensuring they stay in benefits for a few more years.
As has been said on another thread, the Tory's lost, because they are no longer Tory enough? More a kind of mix of red/yellow/green, with a slight blue overtone.
Fittster said:
Hague is a failure. He's stepped up and the electorate laughed at him, you may as well bring back IDS.
That is right, but I think people were laughing more at the Tories generally at that point rather than Hague in particular. I can remember Blair making a speach about it when he said the Tories were not dead, some papers at that point were saying. Hague would have won this election with a majority; firstly, because he is much more straight talking and rather than trying to appeal to masses he actually takes down the argument in front of him. Over the course of the three debates that would have come through and I think people would have respected him more. Cameron was simply too concerned with his own immage and how he was coming across rather than the argument. You can''t blame him for this, he's a PR bloke, but it didn't work.
Second, Hague isn't posh. I think the big thing that hamstrung the Tories was this whole Eton thing, they simply are too posh. It may not be right, but that kind of public school, trust fund, never done a days work thing doesnt play well when we are talking about cutting public service jobs (rightly!) in some fairly heavy working class areas. I heard a few people say this, what do they (Tories) know about what it actually is to be out of work and have no money...
The first person, from any party, who is prepared to front up and make an argument for what needs to be done and why will win. That was never done this time round and people, I think, knew it. Whats gone on since will simply have turned more people off of politics. I've loved it from a political scheming point of view, but looking st it more broadly its pathetic!
johnfelstead said:
Hague was leader far too early for anyones good, he now looks the part rather than a spotty oik with no clue about life. It's a shame as he would be far better now than Cameron.
Don't think so, oddly enough. He's an excellent politician, no doubt, but probably a better Home Secretary than PM IMO.
ppneil_bolton said:
Fittster said:
Hague is a failure. He's stepped up and the electorate laughed at him, you may as well bring back IDS.
I don't know. In a maelstrom of inept media luvvy leaders and one mentally challenged PM, a straight talking, confidence inspiring chap, whom, if I've heard right served in the SAS, I think people would take to him MUCH more than a Milliband or a Balls.He'd have the armed forces behind him right away as one of their own.
Put it this way. He, Boris, Farage and as much as it pains me to say, but Alan Johnson, are the only people who seem to be able to actually talk to us, rather than preach.
neil_bolton said:
Fittster said:
Hague is a failure. He's stepped up and the electorate laughed at him, you may as well bring back IDS.
......... a chap, whom, if I've heard right served in the SAS,.......He'd have the armed forces behind him right away as one of their own.
maddog993 said:
neil_bolton said:
Fittster said:
Hague is a failure. He's stepped up and the electorate laughed at him, you may as well bring back IDS.
......... a chap, whom, if I've heard right served in the SAS,.......He'd have the armed forces behind him right away as one of their own.
neil_bolton said:
maddog993 said:
neil_bolton said:
Fittster said:
Hague is a failure. He's stepped up and the electorate laughed at him, you may as well bring back IDS.
......... a chap, whom, if I've heard right served in the SAS,.......He'd have the armed forces behind him right away as one of their own.
neil_bolton said:
Fittster said:
Hague is a failure. He's stepped up and the electorate laughed at him, you may as well bring back IDS.
......... a chap, whom, if I've heard right served in the SAS,.......He'd have the armed forces behind him right away as one of their own.
wikipedia's page for Right Hon. David Davis MP said:
...On leaving Bec Grammar School in Tooting, his A Level results were not good enough to secure a university place. Davis worked as an insurance clerk and became a member of the Territorial Army's 21 SAS Regiment in order to earn the money to retake his examinations...
I like Hague, but the toughest assignment he's ever had is addressing the Tory party conference.Yes, on the one hand more core Tory voters would have come out.
On the other hand the BBC and the media luvvies would probably have been even more pro Labour.
Best thing now would be to get Hague in now and stay in opposition for a few months until a Lib/Lab pact screws it up and we get another election. Unfortunately CMD got enough of a swing to stay in place.
On the other hand the BBC and the media luvvies would probably have been even more pro Labour.
Best thing now would be to get Hague in now and stay in opposition for a few months until a Lib/Lab pact screws it up and we get another election. Unfortunately CMD got enough of a swing to stay in place.
Edited by AJS- on Tuesday 11th May 14:19
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