A Lib/Lab Pact....and how do YOU feel about it.
Discussion
does it seriously make anyone else feel sick?
regardless of your political grouping, the electorate voted with a massive swing for a tory goverment, albeit a minority one.
now we face the prospect of the 2nd UNELECTED PM in a row. not only that, with a goverment made up of the 2 smaller parties and the also rans.
it makes zimbabwe look like the us senate.
if i had a passport and no tie's, i would be gone right now.
regardless of your political grouping, the electorate voted with a massive swing for a tory goverment, albeit a minority one.
now we face the prospect of the 2nd UNELECTED PM in a row. not only that, with a goverment made up of the 2 smaller parties and the also rans.
it makes zimbabwe look like the us senate.
if i had a passport and no tie's, i would be gone right now.
On balance I would prefer a Lib/Lab pact to a Lib/Con one. The former makes some political and ideological sense, the latter just looks like a bizarre marriage of convenience.
However - and it is a big however - I am very uncomfortable about the prospect of another unelected Prime Minister (yes, I know our system is not Presidential but still...).
If there is to be a Lib/Lab Government I would like to see a guarantee that there would be another General Election within two years.
However - and it is a big however - I am very uncomfortable about the prospect of another unelected Prime Minister (yes, I know our system is not Presidential but still...).
If there is to be a Lib/Lab Government I would like to see a guarantee that there would be another General Election within two years.
This must go down as one of the worst periods in British political history. I am genuinely shocked and saddened by what I am seeing and hearing on the news, made worse by the fact that there is absolutely nothing the public will do about it, due to the way we are all now so fragmented and filled with our own petty little hates. I cannot help but think that this is the end of the UK as a world player.
I am also annoyed at Cameron for being so damn cocky before the election – reneging on a referendum, parachuting his ‘tick all the right PC boxes’ followers into safe seats etc.
Not the best time to be proud to be British. I feel we have a broken and corrupt political and social system.
I am also annoyed at Cameron for being so damn cocky before the election – reneging on a referendum, parachuting his ‘tick all the right PC boxes’ followers into safe seats etc.
Not the best time to be proud to be British. I feel we have a broken and corrupt political and social system.
Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 11th May 08:45
I am frankly disgusted with the Labour party who will do anything to stay in power, they should accept defeat and salvage some dignity, instead it seems that they are exactly the sort of scum I thought they were. I cannot see the general public accepting that their Govt will be formed by parties who came 2nd, 3rd, and even lower down the chain..
It's democracy in action. The Liberals are trying to get the best deal that most closely represents the views that 23% of the population voted for. The Lib Dems are far closer ideologically to Labour than they are to the Conservatives. It is perfectly logical that the Lib Dem's would prefer to form a coalition with Labour rather than the Conservatives.
While this sort of horse trading is rare in the UK it is a common feature of many other democracies.
While this sort of horse trading is rare in the UK it is a common feature of many other democracies.
Castrol Craig said:
now we face the prospect of the 2nd UNELECTED PM in a row. .
We have a parlimentary election system rather than a presidential one which means that Prime Minsister is unelected by the electorate. WE VOTE FOR THE PARTY NOT THE PRIME MINISTER.I'm not a Brown fan but its annoying when people use this arguement. Even William Hague is saying it but I imagine he knows the difference and is relying on the public's ignorance of the system to stir up media outlets like the Daily Mail...
Also I was under the impressions (although not 100% sure) that the UK and Greece are the only countries in Europe that have a first past the post voting system. Everybody else has coalition governments and guess which countries are in the worst state at the moment - the Uk and Greece.
Edited by Galsia on Tuesday 11th May 09:21
Galsia said:
Castrol Craig said:
now we face the prospect of the 2nd UNELECTED PM in a row. .
We have a parlimentary election system rather than a presidential one which means that Prime Minsister is unelected by the electorate. WE VOTE FOR THE PARTY NOT THE PRIME MINISTER.I'm not a Brown fan but its annoying when people use this arguement. Even William Hague is saying it but I imagine he knows the difference and is relying on the public's ignorance of the system to stir up media outlets like the Daily Mail...
Castrol Craig said:
but nearly 2 million more people voted for the tory's than labour, so your argument there is invalid. none of us voted in the last election for labour, led by winky, and none of us voted for a lib/lab pact with millipede in charge?
Yes and only two million more people voted for Labour than the Lib Dems, yet Labour got 258 seats and the Lib dems got 57.Galsia said:
Blah blah condescending s
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We do however vote based on the manifestos and election campaign material published by each political party.teThe 2005 labour manifesto and election material stated that Blair would retire in, but see out that term if returned to power, he left with more than 2 years to go, where as the expectation based on his pre election comments was that he would leave towards the end of 2009.
The 2010 labour manifesto and election material stated that winky would remain as leader of the labour party following the 2010 election even if they lost (which as we all know they did) he’s going and they haven’t even ceded defeat, even though they far fewer MP’s than the conservatives!
So whilst people may not vote for a PM, the labour party have lied in their election material on two separate and sequential occasions as to who will lead their party following a general election.
The soldiers in an army may change, but only a fool would want to go into battle without knowing who is in command
speedyguy said:
a personal view is if the libs jump in with labour. I will never vote for them again. I.ll go tory or anyone but liberal again if they slide in with the labour snakes 
I think there are a lot like you. I know an awful lot of people who have blindly voted Libdem thinking they are a cuddly middle ground bunch of nice people. Once its obvious that a vote for Libdem is indeed a vote for Labour then either under the current system or PR then they will be looking to vote elsewhere.
Yes, I feel a bit nauseous.
How the hell anyone can suggest we can have a second unelected muppet in No 10, on the back of the losers and the runners-up ganging up on the winner I have no idea.
We're not a tin pot country composed of bits of Russia noone wanted, this is the UK for Gods sake.
How the hell anyone can suggest we can have a second unelected muppet in No 10, on the back of the losers and the runners-up ganging up on the winner I have no idea.
We're not a tin pot country composed of bits of Russia noone wanted, this is the UK for Gods sake.
andy43 said:
Yes, I feel a bit nauseous.
How the hell anyone can suggest we can have a second unelected muppet in No 10, on the back of the losers and the runners-up ganging up on the winner I have no idea.
We're not a tin pot country composed of bits of Russia noone wanted, this is the UK for Gods sake.
I feel sick too. Malcom Rifkind has just summed it up perfectly for me: How the hell anyone can suggest we can have a second unelected muppet in No 10, on the back of the losers and the runners-up ganging up on the winner I have no idea.
We're not a tin pot country composed of bits of Russia noone wanted, this is the UK for Gods sake.
"The idea that the two parties that suffered most in this election, that were rejected by the electorate, that in the case of the Labour party lost a hundred of its seats, should put together an illegitimate government, this is the Robert Mugabe style of politics,"
I think it would be the best thing for the country.
The two progressive partys can progressively fk the country over by not being able to get anything through the house. They will look like a shambles from the outside, and the fighting will start from within. The Conservatives can stand in opposition and gently poke fun at them whilst the "coalition" slowly implodes. Labour will come out of this looking like petty, power crazy tossers with no direction. The Lib Dems will be seen as political wes who can't get anything done. The Conservatives come out of the situation smelling of roses and will revise their policy slightly so that UKIP don't prevent them from gaining a majority.
An Election will be called and the Conservatives will gain a majority and they can get to work sorting the country out.
The two progressive partys can progressively f
k the country over by not being able to get anything through the house. They will look like a shambles from the outside, and the fighting will start from within. The Conservatives can stand in opposition and gently poke fun at them whilst the "coalition" slowly implodes. Labour will come out of this looking like petty, power crazy tossers with no direction. The Lib Dems will be seen as political wes who can't get anything done. The Conservatives come out of the situation smelling of roses and will revise their policy slightly so that UKIP don't prevent them from gaining a majority.An Election will be called and the Conservatives will gain a majority and they can get to work sorting the country out.
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