A Lib/Lab Pact....and how do YOU feel about it.
Discussion
gtdc said:
So for Mandy's evil plan to work doesn't it mean that every MP from the Evil Alliance will actually have to turn up at the House of Commons to vote? Including the Scottish ones?
Every last one. Even if they are ill, on their deathbed, abroad on holiday etc.Same for the Tories, mind, if they want to get that vote of no-confidence through. Which they will.
rs1952 said:
Mazda Baiter said:
I think it would be the best thing for the country.
Really? I think perhaps you are letting your personal gut feeling about who should go into coalition with who have precedence over the practicalities. A few facts:Tories 36% of the vote, Labour 29%, Liberals 23%. On a straight "who got the most votes" question, the tories won. Tories got 306 seats (up 97), Labour got 258 (down 91) Liberals got 57 (down 5). On a straight "who got the most seats" question, the conservatives won. On a straight "who lost the most seats" question, Labour lost.
I fully understand that the Lib Dems have a major difficult decision to make, and many of them despise the tories so much that they would much more happily jump into bed with Labour. However, looking at the practicalities of the situation:
1. A Lib/Lab coalition would be weak, as it would need the support of the nutter parties. Of course Alex Salmond and Caroline Lucas want it - that way they get disproportionate power.
2. We all know, or ought to know, that tax rises and spending cuts will be coming in a couple of weeks. To get support for an Alistair Darling budget, the nationalists would want to see their countries spared the worst of them, The cuts would therefore mainly fall on England. England in isolation voted very strongly tory (297, 191 and 43 seats respectively). Expect to see a bit of civil unrest.
3. The unions will not be happy about the cuts, and there will be unrest. A weak Lib/ Lab coalition is more likely to cave in under pressure. If this happens, the international markets will see the UK going the same way as Greece and the IMF will be along in a minute. Expect a bit more civil unrest.
4. The whole thing will collapse this side of Christmas and there will be another election. The Lib Dems will be blamed for propping up an unpopular labour government and they will be back to the situation they were in during the 60s of holding their parliamentary meetings in a phone box.
Whilst the Lib Dems might prefer in their hearts to support Labour, the repercussions of them doing so will last for a generation.
Edited by rs1952 on Tuesday 11th May 10:51
It's hard to judge the mood of the nation, but it seems to me that Nick Clegg must have lost the good will of most of the population by apparently dithering, swapping sides at random and whoring himself out to whoever'll promise him his medications. Far from being a decisive modern leader, he's looking like a mess.
I'm sanguine about a pact - the Conservatives were not able to get across their plans for improvement, and the population didn't (as a whole) really feel things were that bad under Labour. Labour were able to set the tone of the debate (and avoid any honesty about the oncoming cuts), and the media played a part in that. If there's not the will to make changes, then any change will be resisted and limited - hardly the inheritance the Conservatives would have wanted.
The lot of them still need a kick up the ballots. The Conservatives need to perform better in opposition and sort out some of their more reactionary tendencies. The LibDems need to work out whether they're a modern party or a bunch of fringe players who can entertain radical policies. Labour need to come clean about how they plan to pay for all their gifts and promises.
I can't see the next year being fun whoever is in power, so it might as well be Lib/Lab as Lib/Cons. It might focus a few minds. It would be reassuring to know we'd have another election in 18 months time though.
I'm sanguine about a pact - the Conservatives were not able to get across their plans for improvement, and the population didn't (as a whole) really feel things were that bad under Labour. Labour were able to set the tone of the debate (and avoid any honesty about the oncoming cuts), and the media played a part in that. If there's not the will to make changes, then any change will be resisted and limited - hardly the inheritance the Conservatives would have wanted.
The lot of them still need a kick up the ballots. The Conservatives need to perform better in opposition and sort out some of their more reactionary tendencies. The LibDems need to work out whether they're a modern party or a bunch of fringe players who can entertain radical policies. Labour need to come clean about how they plan to pay for all their gifts and promises.
I can't see the next year being fun whoever is in power, so it might as well be Lib/Lab as Lib/Cons. It might focus a few minds. It would be reassuring to know we'd have another election in 18 months time though.
A Lib/Lab Pact....and how do YOU feel about it?
Disappointed with the British public and disgusted with the Lib/Lab vermin.
We are faced with a f
king great big iceberg on the horizon and it's touch and go whether we can steer HMS Britain out of the way of it. Rather than steering out the way and potentially making people seasick, Labour and Libdems plan to give them more drinks, whilst backing off the throttle a tiny bit, hoping the iceberg will melt, whilst pointing to other ships and icebergs.
Anyone with an eye on the actual situation, instead of Eastenders will appreciate that we need some very stty medicine for the longterm health of the country. It has been my feeling that both Social Democrat parties, the Lib Dems and Labour want to smash everything which is UK/GB/England and fit us into a bigger international socialist picture, ie:- The EU. They don't give a fk about anything British, we'll be assimilated into the bigger picture where capitalists will be spanked and we'll all celebrate the environment, diversity, etc, etc.
The public are ignorant and selfish and will always vote for cocktails over medicine.
A lot of those in Westminster hold the national boundaries as some sort of disgusting nazi relic that must be destroyed. I don't hold the Neo-Cons as any different in this respect (otherwise their policy would differ).
Like most of my fellow people, I'm proud of my country and history, local and national. There is a lot to be proud of and half the reason the country is as bloody good as it was, was due to the spirit and enterprise of the people and the politicians.
I think most of the disappointed feeling is self directed, I expected more from the people and the politicians. Selfish, ignorant and putting petty glory and immediate pleasures over that of the longterm health.
The black market is there, the choice how much tax to pay is there, I will get by regardless, but I'd rather "my team" was doing well. A nation, rather than a collection of indivuals. But that latter point is counter to international socialism.
Collective liberalism is the cancer of the UK and sadly, it's terminal as long as you have a population who are apathetic in this respect.
Disappointed with the British public and disgusted with the Lib/Lab vermin.
We are faced with a f
king great big iceberg on the horizon and it's touch and go whether we can steer HMS Britain out of the way of it. Rather than steering out the way and potentially making people seasick, Labour and Libdems plan to give them more drinks, whilst backing off the throttle a tiny bit, hoping the iceberg will melt, whilst pointing to other ships and icebergs. Anyone with an eye on the actual situation, instead of Eastenders will appreciate that we need some very s
tty medicine for the longterm health of the country. It has been my feeling that both Social Democrat parties, the Lib Dems and Labour want to smash everything which is UK/GB/England and fit us into a bigger international socialist picture, ie:- The EU. They don't give a fk about anything British, we'll be assimilated into the bigger picture where capitalists will be spanked and we'll all celebrate the environment, diversity, etc, etc. The public are ignorant and selfish and will always vote for cocktails over medicine.
A lot of those in Westminster hold the national boundaries as some sort of disgusting nazi relic that must be destroyed. I don't hold the Neo-Cons as any different in this respect (otherwise their policy would differ).
Like most of my fellow people, I'm proud of my country and history, local and national. There is a lot to be proud of and half the reason the country is as bloody good as it was, was due to the spirit and enterprise of the people and the politicians.
I think most of the disappointed feeling is self directed, I expected more from the people and the politicians. Selfish, ignorant and putting petty glory and immediate pleasures over that of the longterm health.
The black market is there, the choice how much tax to pay is there, I will get by regardless, but I'd rather "my team" was doing well. A nation, rather than a collection of indivuals. But that latter point is counter to international socialism.
Collective liberalism is the cancer of the UK and sadly, it's terminal as long as you have a population who are apathetic in this respect.
Tangent Police said:
A Lib/Lab Pact....and how do YOU feel about it?
Disappointed with the British public and disgusted with the Lib/Lab vermin.
We are faced with a fking great big iceberg on the horizon and it's touch and go whether we can steer HMS Britain out of the way of it. Rather than steering out the way and potentially making people seasick, Labour and Libdems plan to give them more drinks, whilst backing off the throttle a tiny bit, hoping the iceberg will melt, whilst pointing to other ships and icebergs.
Anyone with an eye on the actual situation, instead of Eastenders will appreciate that we need some very stty medicine for the longterm health of the country. It has been my feeling that both Social Democrat parties, the Lib Dems and Labour want to smash everything which is UK/GB/England and fit us into a bigger international socialist picture, ie:- The EU. They don't give a fk about anything British, we'll be assimilated into the bigger picture where capitalists will be spanked and we'll all celebrate the environment, diversity, etc, etc.
The public are ignorant and selfish and will always vote for cocktails over medicine.
A lot of those in Westminster hold the national boundaries as some sort of disgusting nazi relic that must be destroyed. I don't hold the Neo-Cons as any different in this respect (otherwise their policy would differ).
Like most of my fellow people, I'm proud of my country and history, local and national. There is a lot to be proud of and half the reason the country is as bloody good as it was, was due to the spirit and enterprise of the people and the politicians.
I think most of the disappointed feeling is self directed, I expected more from the people and the politicians. Selfish, ignorant and putting petty glory and immediate pleasures over that of the longterm health.
The black market is there, the choice how much tax to pay is there, I will get by regardless, but I'd rather "my team" was doing well. A nation, rather than a collection of indivuals. But that latter point is counter to international socialism.
Collective liberalism is the cancer of the UK and sadly, it's terminal as long as you have a population who are apathetic in this respect.
fDisappointed with the British public and disgusted with the Lib/Lab vermin.
We are faced with a f
king great big iceberg on the horizon and it's touch and go whether we can steer HMS Britain out of the way of it. Rather than steering out the way and potentially making people seasick, Labour and Libdems plan to give them more drinks, whilst backing off the throttle a tiny bit, hoping the iceberg will melt, whilst pointing to other ships and icebergs. Anyone with an eye on the actual situation, instead of Eastenders will appreciate that we need some very s
tty medicine for the longterm health of the country. It has been my feeling that both Social Democrat parties, the Lib Dems and Labour want to smash everything which is UK/GB/England and fit us into a bigger international socialist picture, ie:- The EU. They don't give a fk about anything British, we'll be assimilated into the bigger picture where capitalists will be spanked and we'll all celebrate the environment, diversity, etc, etc. The public are ignorant and selfish and will always vote for cocktails over medicine.
A lot of those in Westminster hold the national boundaries as some sort of disgusting nazi relic that must be destroyed. I don't hold the Neo-Cons as any different in this respect (otherwise their policy would differ).
Like most of my fellow people, I'm proud of my country and history, local and national. There is a lot to be proud of and half the reason the country is as bloody good as it was, was due to the spirit and enterprise of the people and the politicians.
I think most of the disappointed feeling is self directed, I expected more from the people and the politicians. Selfish, ignorant and putting petty glory and immediate pleasures over that of the longterm health.
The black market is there, the choice how much tax to pay is there, I will get by regardless, but I'd rather "my team" was doing well. A nation, rather than a collection of indivuals. But that latter point is counter to international socialism.
Collective liberalism is the cancer of the UK and sadly, it's terminal as long as you have a population who are apathetic in this respect.
king well said that man Tuna said:
It's hard to judge the mood of the nation, but it seems to me that Nick Clegg must have lost the good will of most of the population by apparently dithering, swapping sides at random and whoring himself out to whoever'll promise him his medications. Far from being a decisive modern leader, he's looking like a mess.
I'm sanguine about a pact - the Conservatives were not able to get across their plans for improvement, and the population didn't (as a whole) really feel things were that bad under Labour. Labour were able to set the tone of the debate (and avoid any honesty about the oncoming cuts), and the media played a part in that. If there's not the will to make changes, then any change will be resisted and limited - hardly the inheritance the Conservatives would have wanted.
The lot of them still need a kick up the ballots. The Conservatives need to perform better in opposition and sort out some of their more reactionary tendencies. The LibDems need to work out whether they're a modern party or a bunch of fringe players who can entertain radical policies. Labour need to come clean about how they plan to pay for all their gifts and promises.
I can't see the next year being fun whoever is in power, so it might as well be Lib/Lab as Lib/Cons. It might focus a few minds. It would be reassuring to know we'd have another election in 18 months time though.
You give the majority of the Public far too much credit. They have no principles themselves, they dont give a sI'm sanguine about a pact - the Conservatives were not able to get across their plans for improvement, and the population didn't (as a whole) really feel things were that bad under Labour. Labour were able to set the tone of the debate (and avoid any honesty about the oncoming cuts), and the media played a part in that. If there's not the will to make changes, then any change will be resisted and limited - hardly the inheritance the Conservatives would have wanted.
The lot of them still need a kick up the ballots. The Conservatives need to perform better in opposition and sort out some of their more reactionary tendencies. The LibDems need to work out whether they're a modern party or a bunch of fringe players who can entertain radical policies. Labour need to come clean about how they plan to pay for all their gifts and promises.
I can't see the next year being fun whoever is in power, so it might as well be Lib/Lab as Lib/Cons. It might focus a few minds. It would be reassuring to know we'd have another election in 18 months time though.
t what legacy we leave for our kids! They just care who's going to win the fking X factor, and where's the next new foreign car and foreign holiday coming from. After 13 years of NulAbia, the Loreal generation dont want to sort any of our root problems out. They just want "stuff" given to them and the problems can wait til tomorrow.
I think in Britain we have far more "Greek" in us, that just the s
t covered toothbrushes we come back with from Corfu after the holiday break in! Edited by poo at Paul's on Tuesday 11th May 12:21
Dr Phibes said:
Tangent Police said:
A Lib/Lab Pact....and how do YOU feel about it?
Disappointed with the British public and disgusted with the Lib/Lab vermin.
We are faced with a fking great big iceberg on the horizon and it's touch and go whether we can steer HMS Britain out of the way of it. Rather than steering out the way and potentially making people seasick, Labour and Libdems plan to give them more drinks, whilst backing off the throttle a tiny bit, hoping the iceberg will melt, whilst pointing to other ships and icebergs.
Anyone with an eye on the actual situation, instead of Eastenders will appreciate that we need some very stty medicine for the longterm health of the country. It has been my feeling that both Social Democrat parties, the Lib Dems and Labour want to smash everything which is UK/GB/England and fit us into a bigger international socialist picture, ie:- The EU. They don't give a fk about anything British, we'll be assimilated into the bigger picture where capitalists will be spanked and we'll all celebrate the environment, diversity, etc, etc.
The public are ignorant and selfish and will always vote for cocktails over medicine.
A lot of those in Westminster hold the national boundaries as some sort of disgusting nazi relic that must be destroyed. I don't hold the Neo-Cons as any different in this respect (otherwise their policy would differ).
Like most of my fellow people, I'm proud of my country and history, local and national. There is a lot to be proud of and half the reason the country is as bloody good as it was, was due to the spirit and enterprise of the people and the politicians.
I think most of the disappointed feeling is self directed, I expected more from the people and the politicians. Selfish, ignorant and putting petty glory and immediate pleasures over that of the longterm health.
The black market is there, the choice how much tax to pay is there, I will get by regardless, but I'd rather "my team" was doing well. A nation, rather than a collection of indivuals. But that latter point is counter to international socialism.
Collective liberalism is the cancer of the UK and sadly, it's terminal as long as you have a population who are apathetic in this respect.
fDisappointed with the British public and disgusted with the Lib/Lab vermin.
We are faced with a f
king great big iceberg on the horizon and it's touch and go whether we can steer HMS Britain out of the way of it. Rather than steering out the way and potentially making people seasick, Labour and Libdems plan to give them more drinks, whilst backing off the throttle a tiny bit, hoping the iceberg will melt, whilst pointing to other ships and icebergs. Anyone with an eye on the actual situation, instead of Eastenders will appreciate that we need some very s
tty medicine for the longterm health of the country. It has been my feeling that both Social Democrat parties, the Lib Dems and Labour want to smash everything which is UK/GB/England and fit us into a bigger international socialist picture, ie:- The EU. They don't give a fk about anything British, we'll be assimilated into the bigger picture where capitalists will be spanked and we'll all celebrate the environment, diversity, etc, etc. The public are ignorant and selfish and will always vote for cocktails over medicine.
A lot of those in Westminster hold the national boundaries as some sort of disgusting nazi relic that must be destroyed. I don't hold the Neo-Cons as any different in this respect (otherwise their policy would differ).
Like most of my fellow people, I'm proud of my country and history, local and national. There is a lot to be proud of and half the reason the country is as bloody good as it was, was due to the spirit and enterprise of the people and the politicians.
I think most of the disappointed feeling is self directed, I expected more from the people and the politicians. Selfish, ignorant and putting petty glory and immediate pleasures over that of the longterm health.
The black market is there, the choice how much tax to pay is there, I will get by regardless, but I'd rather "my team" was doing well. A nation, rather than a collection of indivuals. But that latter point is counter to international socialism.
Collective liberalism is the cancer of the UK and sadly, it's terminal as long as you have a population who are apathetic in this respect.
king well said that man 
Tuna said:
It's hard to judge the mood of the nation, but it seems to me that Nick Clegg must have lost the good will of most of the population by apparently dithering, swapping sides at random and whoring himself out to whoever'll promise him his medications. Far from being a decisive modern leader, he's looking like a mess.
I have gone from being impressed that he appeared to have principles (i.e. the Tories should rule as they got the most votes) to thinking he is a stinking politician made from the same rot infested material the others are made of (now let's see if we can't get in with Labour, no wait, the Tories, oh hang on, maybe Labour - whoever will give us a slice of power - f**k the electorate).
This is how our electoral system works in the case of a hung parliment.
If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
As usual the Mash has called it.
Daily Mash said:
ELECTION FINALLY PRODUCES A RESULT
11-05-10
AFTER five hectic days the general election produced a result last night as the sociopath who has been dicking about with your life for the last 13 years finally got the fking message.
In a historic announcement Gordon Brown said he was standing down but not before he had discharged his constitutional duty to steal the government for the sack of st-eating weasel aholes who have spent most of their shabby careers licking his greasy balls.
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said Mr Brown's statement 'smoothed the way towards a stable government' involving an as yet unidentified prime minister, a collection of lying, two-faced wes, some Welsh, Scottish, Irish and possibly Cornish nationalists, a lady from Brighton who drives a car made of yeast, as well as the Roly Polys, the Wurzels and the Average White Band.
Tom Logan, a progressive person from Finsbury Park, said: "On paper that sounds like it should work perfectly.
"That said, I would be slightly concerned that the Wurzels will hold the country to ransom every time they want some more cider, while English taxpayers will end up having to subsidise even more of the Average White Band's funky baselines."
Julian Cook, professor of politics at Reading University, added: "After five extraordinary days I suspect that Britain is now really starting to regret having Lib Dems.
"John F Kennedy once remarked that the 'hottest places in hell are reserved for those who sat on the fence' but of course, I think what he actually meant to say was 'Good God, the Lib Dems really are a bunch of fking cocksuckers, aren't they?'."
Meanwhile the prospect of a Labour-led 'progressive' coalition has been welcomed by thousands of limbless Iraqis, torture victims and people whose DNA is now kept on a database because they signed a petition in the post office about a new bypass.
Abdul Al-Kaleem, a former limb owner from Basra, said: "I admire the British Labour Party. They managed to progress my legs off very efficiently, while my Uncle Karim was progressed over a wide area.
"I remember being handed what was left of his chin and thinking 'yes, this is definitely progress'."
Mohammed Iqbal, from Bradford, said that when he was being tortured by the CIA with the tacit approval of the Labour Party he was comforted by the fact that gay people could now form civil partnerships.
He added: "As the electricity coursed through my flailing body and the pliers tightened once more around my already swollen testicles, I smiled at the thought of Elton John and David Furnish having a big, fancy party to celebrate their same sex love."
And bypass petitioner Martin Bishop, who is now snuggled nicely into the DNA database between a murderer and a paedophile, said he was impressed by the progress the police had made in taking dozens of photographs of his house.
He added: "It's all very impressive. They keep my DNA on a big computer and, who knows, maybe one day they can use it convict me for a crime I didn't commit.
"It truly is a golden age."
11-05-10
AFTER five hectic days the general election produced a result last night as the sociopath who has been dicking about with your life for the last 13 years finally got the f
king message.In a historic announcement Gordon Brown said he was standing down but not before he had discharged his constitutional duty to steal the government for the sack of s
t-eating weasel aholes who have spent most of their shabby careers licking his greasy balls.Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said Mr Brown's statement 'smoothed the way towards a stable government' involving an as yet unidentified prime minister, a collection of lying, two-faced w
es, some Welsh, Scottish, Irish and possibly Cornish nationalists, a lady from Brighton who drives a car made of yeast, as well as the Roly Polys, the Wurzels and the Average White Band. Tom Logan, a progressive person from Finsbury Park, said: "On paper that sounds like it should work perfectly.
"That said, I would be slightly concerned that the Wurzels will hold the country to ransom every time they want some more cider, while English taxpayers will end up having to subsidise even more of the Average White Band's funky baselines."
Julian Cook, professor of politics at Reading University, added: "After five extraordinary days I suspect that Britain is now really starting to regret having Lib Dems.
"John F Kennedy once remarked that the 'hottest places in hell are reserved for those who sat on the fence' but of course, I think what he actually meant to say was 'Good God, the Lib Dems really are a bunch of f
king cocksuckers, aren't they?'."Meanwhile the prospect of a Labour-led 'progressive' coalition has been welcomed by thousands of limbless Iraqis, torture victims and people whose DNA is now kept on a database because they signed a petition in the post office about a new bypass.
Abdul Al-Kaleem, a former limb owner from Basra, said: "I admire the British Labour Party. They managed to progress my legs off very efficiently, while my Uncle Karim was progressed over a wide area.
"I remember being handed what was left of his chin and thinking 'yes, this is definitely progress'."
Mohammed Iqbal, from Bradford, said that when he was being tortured by the CIA with the tacit approval of the Labour Party he was comforted by the fact that gay people could now form civil partnerships.
He added: "As the electricity coursed through my flailing body and the pliers tightened once more around my already swollen testicles, I smiled at the thought of Elton John and David Furnish having a big, fancy party to celebrate their same sex love."
And bypass petitioner Martin Bishop, who is now snuggled nicely into the DNA database between a murderer and a paedophile, said he was impressed by the progress the police had made in taking dozens of photographs of his house.
He added: "It's all very impressive. They keep my DNA on a big computer and, who knows, maybe one day they can use it convict me for a crime I didn't commit.
"It truly is a golden age."
Jasandjules said:
Tuna said:
It's hard to judge the mood of the nation, but it seems to me that Nick Clegg must have lost the good will of most of the population by apparently dithering, swapping sides at random and whoring himself out to whoever'll promise him his medications. Far from being a decisive modern leader, he's looking like a mess.
I have gone from being impressed that he appeared to have principles (i.e. the Tories should rule as they got the most votes) to thinking he is a stinking politician made from the same rot infested material the others are made of (now let's see if we can't get in with Labour, no wait, the Tories, oh hang on, maybe Labour - whoever will give us a slice of power - f**k the electorate).My mood alternates between total piss boiling to thinking CMD's best bet is just to sit back, let the rest of them f
k the country up, then come back and mop up.I don't buy into this business that the Conservatives didn't do well enough. I don't claim to entirely understand its intricacies but given the circumstances I genuinely don't see how they could have done much better unless you annex the North West and Scotland who simply will not vote Tory because their fathers father voted Labour.
Jasandjules said:
Tuna said:
It's hard to judge the mood of the nation, but it seems to me that Nick Clegg must have lost the good will of most of the population by apparently dithering, swapping sides at random and whoring himself out to whoever'll promise him his medications. Far from being a decisive modern leader, he's looking like a mess.
I have gone from being impressed that he appeared to have principles (i.e. the Tories should rule as they got the most votes) to thinking he is a stinking politician made from the same rot infested material the others are made of (now let's see if we can't get in with Labour, no wait, the Tories, oh hang on, maybe Labour - whoever will give us a slice of power - f**k the electorate).If its a game of poker, designed to get as much as they can out of the tories, I don't have a problem with that.
If its trying to find a way to prop up labour because they prefer to work with them rather than the tories, they will crucify themselves with the electorate
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