A Lib/Lab Pact....and how do YOU feel about it.
Discussion
I think we should have regional PR to determine number of seats won, combined with a first past the post system to determine the government - who ever has the most votes and therefore seats, is given enough bonus votes in Parliament to put them in charge.
That way we get what we vote for, no-one's vote is wasted, and a fair few of the smaller parties / crackpots get a say in parliament too.
That way we get what we vote for, no-one's vote is wasted, and a fair few of the smaller parties / crackpots get a say in parliament too.
Devil2575 said:
This is how our electoral system works in the case of a hung parliment.
If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
You have to love this sort of logic. If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
So, using this same logic, Ferrari and Red Bull should team up putting them ahead of Mclaren?
We should apply this logic to everything in life just so we all get our own way.
Edited by Oakey on Tuesday 11th May 12:43
Jasandjules said:
paddyhasneeds said:
I do wonder though how much is Clegg and how much is his party's rules forcing his hand.
But if you have principles, then you stick to them, or else they are not principles.Nobody has really given a straight answer on whether a lib-lab pact could form a government? I don't mean if it would fall apart by next Tuesday, I mean what actually decides whether CMD claims minority government or the lib-lab's attempt to govern - presumably it's our "constitution"?
Oakey said:
Devil2575 said:
This is how our electoral system works in the case of a hung parliment.
If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
You have to love this sort of logic. If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
So, using this same logic, Ferrari and Red Bull should team up putting them ahead of Mclaren?
And while I'm on the subject... I hope all those Mumsnet types who thought Clegg was lovely are chewing on their Boden.
gtdc said:
Oakey said:
Devil2575 said:
This is how our electoral system works in the case of a hung parliment.
If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
You have to love this sort of logic. If you don't like it then perhaps it's time for an altenative voting system.
Also the combined votes of labour and the Lib Dems is 4.5 million more than the Tories.
What is bad for the tories is that after a massive world wide recession and 13 years of labour they didn't walk it. Perhaps because although people are pissed of with labour they don't really want the conservative either.
So Lib/Lab pact, not my prefered choice but at least we'll get a chance to change the voting system.
So, using this same logic, Ferrari and Red Bull should team up putting them ahead of Mclaren?
And while I'm on the subject... I hope all those Mumsnet types who thought Clegg was lovely are chewing on their Boden.
paddyhasneeds said:
Nobody has really given a straight answer on whether a lib-lab pact could form a government?
It would have to be a lib-lab-nationalist arrangement, otherwise the numbers don't work.Which, as has been pointed out by many commentators, is a recipe for disaster from everyone concerned, not the least the participants in such an arrangement.
Half of me wants to see them try it, and enjoy the subsequent monumental fluster-cluck - however, given that will probably lead to a UK sovereign debt default and general financial holocaust, the more rational half of me wants to see Labour and the Lib Dems lynched with piano-wire from convenient lamp-posts on Whitehall.
Actually, I think we might get to see both outcomes, the second as the result of the first.
JacksHereR said:
surely anything other than a con/demned pact is a load of tosh and we should go back and vote again.
Con Dem pact is mutually insoluble. Edited by JacksHereR on Tuesday 11th May 12:55
All of it is a massive mess. Back to the polls now, I reckon.
Edited by Tangent Police on Tuesday 11th May 12:59
gtdc said:
rs1952 said:
The problem is we are sitting on the sidelines not knowing what is going through the Lib Dems minds.
Tofu and world domination.
RS & MB have hit the nail on the head for me.
i hate the idea of it but its probably the best thing politically for the Tories.
crush their "recovery plan" with a vote of no-confidence, and push for another general election...
absolutely sickening. a testament to 13 years of nulabour social engineering and the successful creation of a dependent class of public non jobs, welfare scroungers and union idiocy. that 10m muppets can vote for labour when at the very same time southern europe is collapsing under the burden of the very same policies is utterly insane and goes to show the almost total idiocy of the average voter. regardless of who gets in i despair, just so glad i left and at the same time slightly depressed i don't want to come back.
Better than a Lib/Con pact.
The Conservatives might be the best of a bad bunch in that someone in the party has a basic understanding of economics, but in coalition with the Lib Dems this would be useless. Worst of all, a few months of scandals and failures under this arrangement might even let the Labour scum back in, or let a Labour/LD pact form that would damn us to another 5 years of left wing ruin.
Labour/Liberal pact, with input from the other little weirdo lefty parties, would definitely give us a Tory government next time around, probably with a decent majority, and hence the muscle to force through some proper changes.
Also, and I fully expect to be shouted down for saying this but I don't hate the Lib Dems in the same way I hate Labour. At least they have some interest in civil liberties and some idea that certain areas of life don't need to be regulated by the state.
Labour on the other hand is a party of theiving fascist scum set up with the express intention of punishing the "rich" and "successful" (which is anyone a little richer or more succesful then them), with the supposed circuitous benefit of "the poor" a mere excuse. I want to see the party completely destroyed forever, but to do that they need to show their true nasty colours. They're starting to now, and another spell of them destroying the country might be enough to tip the balance.
The Conservatives might be the best of a bad bunch in that someone in the party has a basic understanding of economics, but in coalition with the Lib Dems this would be useless. Worst of all, a few months of scandals and failures under this arrangement might even let the Labour scum back in, or let a Labour/LD pact form that would damn us to another 5 years of left wing ruin.
Labour/Liberal pact, with input from the other little weirdo lefty parties, would definitely give us a Tory government next time around, probably with a decent majority, and hence the muscle to force through some proper changes.
Also, and I fully expect to be shouted down for saying this but I don't hate the Lib Dems in the same way I hate Labour. At least they have some interest in civil liberties and some idea that certain areas of life don't need to be regulated by the state.
Labour on the other hand is a party of theiving fascist scum set up with the express intention of punishing the "rich" and "successful" (which is anyone a little richer or more succesful then them), with the supposed circuitous benefit of "the poor" a mere excuse. I want to see the party completely destroyed forever, but to do that they need to show their true nasty colours. They're starting to now, and another spell of them destroying the country might be enough to tip the balance.
AJS- said:
Better than a Lib/Con pact.
The Conservatives might be the best of a bad bunch in that someone in the party has a basic understanding of economics, but in coalition with the Lib Dems this would be useless. Worst of all, a few months of scandals and failures under this arrangement might even let the Labour scum back in, or let a Labour/LD pact form that would damn us to another 5 years of left wing ruin.
Labour/Liberal pact, with input from the other little weirdo lefty parties, would definitely give us a Tory government next time around, probably with a decent majority, and hence the muscle to force through some proper changes.
Also, and I fully expect to be shouted down for saying this but I don't hate the Lib Dems in the same way I hate Labour. At least they have some interest in civil liberties and some idea that certain areas of life don't need to be regulated by the state.
Labour on the other hand is a party of theiving fascist scum set up with the express intention of punishing the "rich" and "successful" (which is anyone a little richer or more succesful then them), with the supposed circuitous benefit of "the poor" a mere excuse. I want to see the party completely destroyed forever, but to do that they need to show their true nasty colours. They're starting to now, and another spell of them destroying the country might be enough to tip the balance.
I won't shout you down, I think those are fair comments from an intelligent individual.The Conservatives might be the best of a bad bunch in that someone in the party has a basic understanding of economics, but in coalition with the Lib Dems this would be useless. Worst of all, a few months of scandals and failures under this arrangement might even let the Labour scum back in, or let a Labour/LD pact form that would damn us to another 5 years of left wing ruin.
Labour/Liberal pact, with input from the other little weirdo lefty parties, would definitely give us a Tory government next time around, probably with a decent majority, and hence the muscle to force through some proper changes.
Also, and I fully expect to be shouted down for saying this but I don't hate the Lib Dems in the same way I hate Labour. At least they have some interest in civil liberties and some idea that certain areas of life don't need to be regulated by the state.
Labour on the other hand is a party of theiving fascist scum set up with the express intention of punishing the "rich" and "successful" (which is anyone a little richer or more succesful then them), with the supposed circuitous benefit of "the poor" a mere excuse. I want to see the party completely destroyed forever, but to do that they need to show their true nasty colours. They're starting to now, and another spell of them destroying the country might be enough to tip the balance.
(fiver in the post please)
I feel quite good about it - the public will see that Labour politicians are the scum that PH always knew they were, the 'government' will totter from crisis to crisis, slipping in the dogs
t of its own making... it will be great entertainment and pave the way for at least a decade of Conservative government, what's not to like?
t of its own making... it will be great entertainment and pave the way for at least a decade of Conservative government, what's not to like? AJS- said:
Labour/Liberal pact, with input from the other little weirdo lefty parties, would definitely give us a Tory government next time around,
I really wouldn't be so sure about this...AJS- said:
Labour on the other hand is a party of theiving fascist scum set up with the express intention of punishing the "rich" and "successful" (which is anyone a little richer or more succesful then them), with the supposed circuitous benefit of "the poor" a mere excuse. I want to see the party completely destroyed forever, but to do that they need to show their true nasty colours. They're starting to now, and another spell of them destroying the country might be enough to tip the balance.
I think you are saying that you aren't, on balance, overly keen on the Labour party and socialist principles in general. They aren't fascists though.
However, it is in no-ones interest to have a major political party destroyed, least of all democracies. Despite the flaws in our system, it is still the least worst form of government there is...
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