Al-Qaeda ringleader can stay here......Surprise!!
Discussion
Parrot of Doom said:
5unny said:
Pretty scary stuff but then again the threat we face is also unprecedented.
So what is the solution?
Stop scare-mongering, and remember what the IRA did?So what is the solution?
Parrot of Doom said:
5unny said:
Pretty scary stuff but then again the threat we face is also unprecedented.
So what is the solution?
Stop scare-mongering, and remember what the IRA did?So what is the solution?
We've already had successful Islamist attacks on our soil and countless more stopped in their tracks.
Edited by 5unny on Thursday 20th May 20:10
Uncle Fester said:
The overwhelming majority of Pakistanis manage to live in Pakistan without being tortured.
The Pakistan government doesn’t have the time, resources or inclination to torture every citizen; just those whose behaviour draws the attention of the authorities.
So presumably these individuals believe their past or likely future behaviour will draw such attentions.
This is precisely why they should be returned to Pakistan.
The Islamist ideology is as disturbing and hateful to most Muslims as it is to non-Muslims. It first emerged early in the history of Islam (around 657AD) with a group called Khawarij. There were around 12000 of them.
They caused so much trouble to other Muslims that Ali (son-in-law of the prophet Mohammed) led his forces against them and obliterated all but nine of them. One survivor managed to assassinate Ali before they could be killed.
The Islamist ideology perished with them and for about the next 1300 years Islam was free of its curse.
It was not until a number of countries with substantial Muslim populations came under the control of European nations that the problem reared its ugly head again, beginning in the late nineteenth century.
Muslims had learned how to deal with Islamists, but the European colonial control supported freedom of speech and protected those trying to resuscitate the Islamist ideology. America took in some of these and allowed them the freedom to develop the ideas. They then returned to their own countries and spread the poison.
Had we not prevented the normal Muslims they would have strangled the Islamist movement at re-birth by killing those responsible. Today we perpetuate our blunder by obstructing Muslim states from effectively dealing with the Islamist problem.
Muslims understand you cannot reason with Islamists or deal with them in any other way. It’s long overdue that the politically correct realise that human rights and logic are lost upon those who believe that they are under orders from god. If the PC brigade wish for a world organised according to human rights then they will have to accept some compromise and do it in a world which has been rid of Islamists.
So in summary, its whiteys fault. The Pakistan government doesn’t have the time, resources or inclination to torture every citizen; just those whose behaviour draws the attention of the authorities.
So presumably these individuals believe their past or likely future behaviour will draw such attentions.
This is precisely why they should be returned to Pakistan.
The Islamist ideology is as disturbing and hateful to most Muslims as it is to non-Muslims. It first emerged early in the history of Islam (around 657AD) with a group called Khawarij. There were around 12000 of them.
They caused so much trouble to other Muslims that Ali (son-in-law of the prophet Mohammed) led his forces against them and obliterated all but nine of them. One survivor managed to assassinate Ali before they could be killed.
The Islamist ideology perished with them and for about the next 1300 years Islam was free of its curse.
It was not until a number of countries with substantial Muslim populations came under the control of European nations that the problem reared its ugly head again, beginning in the late nineteenth century.
Muslims had learned how to deal with Islamists, but the European colonial control supported freedom of speech and protected those trying to resuscitate the Islamist ideology. America took in some of these and allowed them the freedom to develop the ideas. They then returned to their own countries and spread the poison.
Had we not prevented the normal Muslims they would have strangled the Islamist movement at re-birth by killing those responsible. Today we perpetuate our blunder by obstructing Muslim states from effectively dealing with the Islamist problem.
Muslims understand you cannot reason with Islamists or deal with them in any other way. It’s long overdue that the politically correct realise that human rights and logic are lost upon those who believe that they are under orders from god. If the PC brigade wish for a world organised according to human rights then they will have to accept some compromise and do it in a world which has been rid of Islamists.
Looks like the Americans are going to take this chap off our hands.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10543048.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10543048.stm
The BBC said:
The alleged leader of an al-Qaeda plot to bomb British targets who won the right to stay in the UK, has been arrested.
Abid Naseer was held after the United States issued a warrant for his arrest.
A special immigration court said Mr Naseer, 23, was an al-Qaeda operative - but could not be deported because he faced torture or death in Pakistan.
He was arrested last year as part of a massive counter-terrorism operation in Liverpool and Manchester.
He was among 10 Pakistani nationals arrested last year.
He is due to appear in court later on Wednesday after the United States authorities requested his extradition so that he can face trial.
Mr Naseer, who used to live in Manchester, is accused of supporting a foreign terrorist organisation and conspiracy to use a destructive device.
Abid Naseer was held after the United States issued a warrant for his arrest.
A special immigration court said Mr Naseer, 23, was an al-Qaeda operative - but could not be deported because he faced torture or death in Pakistan.
He was arrested last year as part of a massive counter-terrorism operation in Liverpool and Manchester.
He was among 10 Pakistani nationals arrested last year.
He is due to appear in court later on Wednesday after the United States authorities requested his extradition so that he can face trial.
Mr Naseer, who used to live in Manchester, is accused of supporting a foreign terrorist organisation and conspiracy to use a destructive device.
5unny said:
Looks like the Americans are going to take this chap off our hands.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10543048.stm
Oh Dear, what a pity, never mind.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10543048.stm
The BBC said:
The alleged leader of an al-Qaeda plot to bomb British targets who won the right to stay in the UK, has been arrested.
Abid Naseer was held after the United States issued a warrant for his arrest.
A special immigration court said Mr Naseer, 23, was an al-Qaeda operative - but could not be deported because he faced torture or death in Pakistan.
He was arrested last year as part of a massive counter-terrorism operation in Liverpool and Manchester.
He was among 10 Pakistani nationals arrested last year.
He is due to appear in court later on Wednesday after the United States authorities requested his extradition so that he can face trial.
Mr Naseer, who used to live in Manchester, is accused of supporting a foreign terrorist organisation and conspiracy to use a destructive device.
Abid Naseer was held after the United States issued a warrant for his arrest.
A special immigration court said Mr Naseer, 23, was an al-Qaeda operative - but could not be deported because he faced torture or death in Pakistan.
He was arrested last year as part of a massive counter-terrorism operation in Liverpool and Manchester.
He was among 10 Pakistani nationals arrested last year.
He is due to appear in court later on Wednesday after the United States authorities requested his extradition so that he can face trial.
Mr Naseer, who used to live in Manchester, is accused of supporting a foreign terrorist organisation and conspiracy to use a destructive device.
Once again it's down to the USA to sort things out when our legal system has tied itself in knots.
Is it just a coincidence that the arrest warrant was issued on 7/7 ?
pp
Edited by Pickled Piper on Wednesday 7th July 16:00
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