Netto admits UK failure and sells its stores to Asda

[OnTheOverrun]

Silver993tt said:

OnTheOverrun said:

Silver993tt said:

OnTheOverrun said:

Silver993tt said:

OnTheOverrun said:

Silver993tt said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

Yep, Aldi and Lidl are excellent usually

I would always choose a German made/managed/supplied product over anything from the UK, especially anthing inthe mass market such as supermarket food products.

LOL - silver993tt in pro-german/anti-British post shocker!

At least you're consistent in your prejudices.

Really? Just simple experience having lived in both countries. Indian food is better in the UK and car insurance is cheaper, make you feel better? Quality of life isn't only measured by the price of things. I know that's a strange concept in the UK.

I know, I've lived in Hanau, Nice and California amongst others, It's just when I lived in those places I didn't feel the need to constantly knock Britain with the consistency your posting history shows.

I haven't even started yet.

Venting your anger against a nation is clearly some kind of therapy for you. I'll leave you to it.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion. As I have said I've lived in countries with a significantly higher quality of living and when a discussion includes that subject I'll comment. Maybe you kept yourself in the expat cocoon when you were abroad, I've seen that very often.

That would be a bit tricky as most of the places I've lived only had one ex-pat - me. I found the 'quality of living' lower in Germany, comparable in France and better/worse in California depending on the day. Fortunately I don't shop in supermarkets like you, prefering to immerse myself in the local market, culture and food, so I can't say with such authority as you who has the better volume food retailers by nationality. . . . . .

[Somewhatfoolish]

Dunk76 said:

okgo said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

speedchick said:

I won't shop in Tesco on principle

What principle is that?

Quite.

speedchick you're being quite stupid. It will make no difference if you do or don't. You're mugging yourself off. Not them.

It's a choice, and I agree with her.

I won't shop in Tesco on principle; they're Buy'n'Large, they ignore planning rules n regs, they ride roughshod over suppliers, far too powerful and faceless for anyone's good - they are eeeeevil.

So I won't spend a penny with them.

Sainsburys gets the nod for washing powder, shampoo, kids squash etc - the local baker, greengrocer, cheeseshop, fishmongers, and butchers are used for the fresh... not least because it's noticeably cheaper, but also because it's vastly better quality.

Can't fit a cigarette paper between them objectively

[bogwoppit]

To be honest I think most supermarket food is pretty good quality, they have really very high standards, as demonstrated by their satisfaction policies, and hold their suppliers to account if it dips. There are quite a few misconceptions in food, most notably:
1. that fishmongers sell fresh fish (fresh tuna shipped from the Atlantic - no thanks, I'll have mine frozen and vacuum packed please!)
2. that organic food is better quality (as opposed to just more wasteful and shorter shelf life)
3. that "premier" range food is good for you (as opposed to containing more fat salt to make it taste better)
4. that local food is better for the environment
5. that local food is better quality (if you saw the factories in Asia you'd be ashamed of the UK's standards)

I've stopped buying Tesco steak though as they went through a bad patch. Two of my local butchers' have the same problem though.

Oh, and I could tell you some stories about how Tesco treat their suppliers! (only marginally worse than the others)

[speedchick]

Dunk76 said:

okgo said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

speedchick said:

I won't shop in Tesco on principle

What principle is that?

Quite.

speedchick you're being quite stupid. It will make no difference if you do or don't. You're mugging yourself off. Not them.

It's a choice, and I agree with her.

I won't shop in Tesco on principle; they're Buy'n'Large, they ignore planning rules n regs, they ride roughshod over suppliers, far too powerful and faceless for anyone's good - they are eeeeevil.

So I won't spend a penny with them.

Sainsburys gets the nod for washing powder, shampoo, kids squash etc - the local baker, greengrocer, cheeseshop, fishmongers, and butchers are used for the fresh... not least because it's noticeably cheaper, but also because it's vastly better quality.

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers, my other half works at a factory, Tesco were the largest customer, and when it came to the new contract, Tesco actually wanted the product at below cost, and told them that they would take the business elsewhere, the company just couldn't do it, and quite right, what company supplies at less than cost, it ended up with around 25% of production under threat, some people were let go, and then Tesco came back to them.

This is not the only supplier that they do it with, wasn't there someone on here last year whose company was being cajoled into paying Tesco a huge whack just to be a supplier to them?

So yes, if I have to go in there, I will only do it if the MIL is with me, she works for them, and I use her discount card, and let her get the points for it, she spends the points in there, so she gets money off, I get money off, may as well do it that way, rather than spending more than I have to.

[Silver993tt]

OnTheOverrun said:

That would be a bit tricky as most of the places I've lived only had one ex-pat - me. I found the 'quality of living' lower in Germany, comparable in France and better/worse in California depending on the day. Fortunately I don't shop in supermarkets like you, prefering to immerse myself in the local market, culture and food, so I can't say with such authority as you who has the better volume food retailers by nationality. . . . . .

Funny you being the only ex-pat in Nice, California and Hanau. Have you ever actually travelled out of the UK Next you'll be claiming that you were the first Brit ever to
set foot in these places As for Germany having a lower quality of life than the UK, again I don't think you've ever lived there or you spent your time in the ex-pat "Irish" pubs. They're choc-a-bloc with guys who haven't got the cultural interest to mix with the locals. Read any survey and Germany will always come above the UK in this context - not just wages and the cost of things. As for the forthcoming slashing on spending and cuts in all of the services - good luck

Never mind I think everyone else on this thread has got bored of this. Back to the original topic.

[bogwoppit]

Sounds familiar speedchick. One of the most bizarre ones (from a business perspective) I've heard was Tesco shouting down the phone threatening to delist a product because a shipment was late. This despite not having paid for any shipments to date... This had been going on for months and the supplier had eventually gone close to the wall, got fed up and told Tesco they wouldn't be sending anything. Pure arrogance. The funniest part of it was that they had even renegotiated a price cut (Tesco weren't changing the retail price, they just wanted more margin) - before they had even paid for anything!

Doesn't stop me shopping there though It's just economics.

[elster]

speedchick said:

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers, my other half works at a factory, Tesco were the largest customer, and when it came to the new contract, Tesco actually wanted the product at below cost, and told them that they would take the business elsewhere, the company just couldn't do it, and quite right, what company supplies at less than cost, it ended up with around 25% of production under threat, some people were let go, and then Tesco came back to them.

This is not the only supplier that they do it with, wasn't there someone on here last year whose company was being cajoled into paying Tesco a huge whack just to be a supplier to them?

So yes, if I have to go in there, I will only do it if the MIL is with me, she works for them, and I use her discount card, and let her get the points for it, she spends the points in there, so she gets money off, I get money off, may as well do it that way, rather than spending more than I have to.

Ah, so your principles are the same for every supermarket. It is only Tesco that interfered with your family.

If that was your stance you would buy from local shops.

[Silver993tt]

bogwoppit said:

To be honest I think most supermarket food is pretty good quality, they have really very high standards, as demonstrated by their satisfaction policies, and hold their suppliers to account if it dips. There are quite a few misconceptions in food, most notably:
1. that fishmongers sell fresh fish (fresh tuna shipped from the Atlantic - no thanks, I'll have mine frozen and vacuum packed please!)
2. that organic food is better quality (as opposed to just more wasteful and shorter shelf life)
3. that "premier" range food is good for you (as opposed to containing more fat salt to make it taste better)
4. that local food is better for the environment
5. that local food is better quality (if you saw the factories in Asia you'd be ashamed of the UK's standards)

I've stopped buying Tesco steak though as they went through a bad patch. Two of my local butchers' have the same problem though.

Oh, and I could tell you some stories about how Tesco treat their suppliers! (only marginally worse than the others)

Good points. The sources of CJD & many an Ecoli outbreak were traced to so called "high quality" indpendent butchers shops. I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

[speedchick]

elster said:

speedchick said:

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers, my other half works at a factory, Tesco were the largest customer, and when it came to the new contract, Tesco actually wanted the product at below cost, and told them that they would take the business elsewhere, the company just couldn't do it, and quite right, what company supplies at less than cost, it ended up with around 25% of production under threat, some people were let go, and then Tesco came back to them.

This is not the only supplier that they do it with, wasn't there someone on here last year whose company was being cajoled into paying Tesco a huge whack just to be a supplier to them?

So yes, if I have to go in there, I will only do it if the MIL is with me, she works for them, and I use her discount card, and let her get the points for it, she spends the points in there, so she gets money off, I get money off, may as well do it that way, rather than spending more than I have to.

Ah, so your principles are the same for every supermarket. It is only Tesco that interfered with your family.

If that was your stance you would buy from local shops.

Who says that I don't try to buy from local shops? Unfortunately they are all closing down, the town is dying bit by bit, and this is not helped by the fact that Tesco bought the Co-Op premises (they had to shut that Co-op as we also had a Somerfield, and we can't have two of the same chain apparently), while they were buying the premises, they also bought a lot of land behind it, and now, we have an Express that is anything but convenient, the prices are far higher than in the regular stores, and a huge fight going on between the town and Tesco over the planning permission for a huge store on the acquired land. A store the size of which is not needed for the area, but will put everyone of the remaining shops (probably with the exception of the chippy, the pizza shop and the Indian) out of business.

I don't like the way that Tesco operate, either with the areas they build into, or with their suppliers, even where new sports statdia are being built with the help of Tesco, have you noticed that any parking area is for the stores and not the grounds? (am thinking of the plans for St Helens), they make themselves out to be a good neighbour and a caring chain, but they aren't.

[KANEIT]

IMO Netto had cheap prices and that was all, not much better than Kwik-Save and we all know what happened to them. During my student years frequented their dirty aisles, stacked high with cheap crap that you had to sort through to find a packet that wasn't dented or broken. I remember quite vividly their in-house butchers and the girl who was chewing gum while laying out the meats and made a note to myself not to buy anything that wasn't already prepacked. Aldi and Lidl do seem to have a wider range and I don't think they focus on merely being 'cheap' but instead 'good value'. There is a difference.

ASDA - not a nice ambience in that place. A bit warehousy and gimmicky.

Waitrose - Some great products, particularly in their fruit and veg department, but an unfriendly and 'cold' place! Their steely checkouts do resemble mortuary slabs.

Sainsbury's - full of people who wish they were in Waitrose. Quite snobby. Other than that it's got a great range at fair prices and good service.

Morrisons - quite a nice down to earth experience with some great products and a market street ambience. Note: not well liked by the Sainsburys type. I like the way their reduced/damaged products are generally only slightly marked down, that's Kenneth's influence showing through (Yorkshireman)!

[Lost soul]

militantmandy said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

Tsippy said:

Yeast Lord said:

Don't know what is about asda, the prices are similar but I just prefer sainsburys every time.

Probably something to do with most Asda customers smelling of sour milk and year old body odour as they shop in their vomit stained white vests showing every ripple in their beer guts, grey "trackie" bottoms showing off more arse than hiding it, and flipflops whilst screaming at their army of promising little footballers who have the discipline of a pack of baboons.

That kind of covers it :-)

Why on earth should this matter?

Indeed, I go to ASDA to buy food and drink, not to make friends or anylise social structures.

It matters becaue you have to mix with them if you like it or not

[Lost soul]

speedchick said:

Dunk76 said:

okgo said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

speedchick said:

I won't shop in Tesco on principle

What principle is that?

Quite.

speedchick you're being quite stupid. It will make no difference if you do or don't. You're mugging yourself off. Not them.

It's a choice, and I agree with her.

I won't shop in Tesco on principle; they're Buy'n'Large, they ignore planning rules n regs, they ride roughshod over suppliers, far too powerful and faceless for anyone's good - they are eeeeevil.

So I won't spend a penny with them.

Sainsburys gets the nod for washing powder, shampoo, kids squash etc - the local baker, greengrocer, cheeseshop, fishmongers, and butchers are used for the fresh... not least because it's noticeably cheaper, but also because it's vastly better quality.

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers,

But you put that principle on hold when you can get discount

[Somewhatfoolish]

elster said:

speedchick said:

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers, my other half works at a factory, Tesco were the largest customer, and when it came to the new contract, Tesco actually wanted the product at below cost, and told them that they would take the business elsewhere, the company just couldn't do it, and quite right, what company supplies at less than cost, it ended up with around 25% of production under threat, some people were let go, and then Tesco came back to them.

This is not the only supplier that they do it with, wasn't there someone on here last year whose company was being cajoled into paying Tesco a huge whack just to be a supplier to them?

So yes, if I have to go in there, I will only do it if the MIL is with me, she works for them, and I use her discount card, and let her get the points for it, she spends the points in there, so she gets money off, I get money off, may as well do it that way, rather than spending more than I have to.

Ah, so your principles are the same for every supermarket. It is only Tesco that interfered with your family.

If that was your stance you would buy from local shops.

Except that realistically the majority of stuff in local shops, except in affluent areas, comes from the local cash n carry...

[Somewhatfoolish]

Lost soul said:

speedchick said:

Dunk76 said:

okgo said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

speedchick said:

I won't shop in Tesco on principle

What principle is that?

Quite.

speedchick you're being quite stupid. It will make no difference if you do or don't. You're mugging yourself off. Not them.

It's a choice, and I agree with her.

I won't shop in Tesco on principle; they're Buy'n'Large, they ignore planning rules n regs, they ride roughshod over suppliers, far too powerful and faceless for anyone's good - they are eeeeevil.

So I won't spend a penny with them.

Sainsburys gets the nod for washing powder, shampoo, kids squash etc - the local baker, greengrocer, cheeseshop, fishmongers, and butchers are used for the fresh... not least because it's noticeably cheaper, but also because it's vastly better quality.

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers,

But you put that principle on hold when you can get discount

It's kind of interesting actually - it allows us to put a precise range on the price of speedchick's principles - somewhere above 0% but below 10% of her shopping bill

[Lost soul]

Somewhatfoolish said:

Lost soul said:

speedchick said:

Dunk76 said:

okgo said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

speedchick said:

I won't shop in Tesco on principle

What principle is that?

Quite.

speedchick you're being quite stupid. It will make no difference if you do or don't. You're mugging yourself off. Not them.

It's a choice, and I agree with her.

I won't shop in Tesco on principle; they're Buy'n'Large, they ignore planning rules n regs, they ride roughshod over suppliers, far too powerful and faceless for anyone's good - they are eeeeevil.

So I won't spend a penny with them.

Sainsburys gets the nod for washing powder, shampoo, kids squash etc - the local baker, greengrocer, cheeseshop, fishmongers, and butchers are used for the fresh... not least because it's noticeably cheaper, but also because it's vastly better quality.

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers,

But you put that principle on hold when you can get discount

It's kind of interesting actually - it allows us to put a precise range on the price of speedchick's principles - somewhere above 0% but below 10% of her shopping bill

[elster]

Somewhatfoolish said:

elster said:

speedchick said:

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers, my other half works at a factory, Tesco were the largest customer, and when it came to the new contract, Tesco actually wanted the product at below cost, and told them that they would take the business elsewhere, the company just couldn't do it, and quite right, what company supplies at less than cost, it ended up with around 25% of production under threat, some people were let go, and then Tesco came back to them.

This is not the only supplier that they do it with, wasn't there someone on here last year whose company was being cajoled into paying Tesco a huge whack just to be a supplier to them?

So yes, if I have to go in there, I will only do it if the MIL is with me, she works for them, and I use her discount card, and let her get the points for it, she spends the points in there, so she gets money off, I get money off, may as well do it that way, rather than spending more than I have to.

Ah, so your principles are the same for every supermarket. It is only Tesco that interfered with your family.

If that was your stance you would buy from local shops.

Except that realistically the majority of stuff in local shops, except in affluent areas, comes from the local cash n carry...

By local shops I was meaning bakers, fruit & veg, fishmongers, butchers over corner shop.

I know most cash and carry stuff is of the same ilk of all large companies.

[elster]

speedchick said:

Who says that I don't try to buy from local shops? Unfortunately they are all closing down, the town is dying bit by bit, and this is not helped by the fact that Tesco bought the Co-Op premises (they had to shut that Co-op as we also had a Somerfield, and we can't have two of the same chain apparently), while they were buying the premises, they also bought a lot of land behind it, and now, we have an Express that is anything but convenient, the prices are far higher than in the regular stores, and a huge fight going on between the town and Tesco over the planning permission for a huge store on the acquired land. A store the size of which is not needed for the area, but will put everyone of the remaining shops (probably with the exception of the chippy, the pizza shop and the Indian) out of business.

I don't like the way that Tesco operate, either with the areas they build into, or with their suppliers, even where new sports statdia are being built with the help of Tesco, have you noticed that any parking area is for the stores and not the grounds? (am thinking of the plans for St Helens), they make themselves out to be a good neighbour and a caring chain, but they aren't.

The only reason it puts places out of business is people use it over their local choices.

If a local group of shops came up with a foreign style shopping mall with little shops and a single checkout, with lots of parking. It would probably be a success.

However only a large company would do such a thing, so people will moan before it is built. Then they will use it. People want convenience over quality 90% of the time (statistics could be made up, but relate to the point)

[speedchick]

Somewhatfoolish said:

Lost soul said:

speedchick said:

Dunk76 said:

okgo said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

speedchick said:

I won't shop in Tesco on principle

What principle is that?

Quite.

speedchick you're being quite stupid. It will make no difference if you do or don't. You're mugging yourself off. Not them.

It's a choice, and I agree with her.

I won't shop in Tesco on principle; they're Buy'n'Large, they ignore planning rules n regs, they ride roughshod over suppliers, far too powerful and faceless for anyone's good - they are eeeeevil.

So I won't spend a penny with them.

Sainsburys gets the nod for washing powder, shampoo, kids squash etc - the local baker, greengrocer, cheeseshop, fishmongers, and butchers are used for the fresh... not least because it's noticeably cheaper, but also because it's vastly better quality.

Actually, it is to do with the way they treat their suppliers,

But you put that principle on hold when you can get discount

It's kind of interesting actually - it allows us to put a precise range on the price of speedchick's principles - somewhere above 0% but below 10% of her shopping bill

Yea something like that I just don't like Tesco and what they stand for, but, if we are out with the MIL and we need to get a few bits, then she always wants to go in there, so we go with her, get the few bits, she uses her card and she gets the points, may as well let her have them, she shops there. (every little helps and all that, may as well let her have cheaper shopping from them)

Anyway, I am a woman, I am allowed to be fickle

[Wacky Racer]

You lot make me sick, Sainsbury's this, Sainsbury's that, you're nothing but a load of bleeding snobs....

What do you expect Asda to do?....Employ armed guards at the entrance to turn people away....

"Sorry luv, you can't come in, you've obviously not had a wash for a week, have a tramp stamp, wear Adidas trackie bottoms probably nicked from JJB, live on the local council estate and have eight snotty nose kids in tow"

Their (benefit) money is as good as anyone elses.

Live and let live....

[hornet]

I have an enormo-ASDA, a Tesco Extra and "normal" Sainsburys local to me. I've always found ASDA ok as long as you get the timing right. After about 10pm it's pretty empty and a perfectly reasonable experience. Markedly less expensive as well. Dislike Tesco with a passion, especially as the whole store is permeated with the smell of Krispy Kreme.