Foxconn suicides - and how big is that factory.....
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I've just gotten back from that part of the world.
One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
maser_spyder said:
I've just gotten back from that part of the world.
One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
But should we be imposing western developed nation values on a industrially developing country?One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
Its hard work, its s
t money. So what? Every developing economy goes through this stage, including our own.308mate said:
maser_spyder said:
I've just gotten back from that part of the world.
One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
But should we be imposing western developed nation values on a industrially developing country?One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
Its hard work, its s
t money. So what? Every developing economy goes through this stage, including our own.Thats good news....not the loss of life...but the spread of this particular news of unhappy workers at st wages.
So in a few years time...China will have increasing wages which means lower profit margins for companies outsourcing production to China..which means we are all better off making our st here in our own local factories!!! I would rather pay £700 for an Ipad made in USA rather than Ipad made in China for £5!
This is why China is beating India in the manufacturing game! You cant manufacture at these low costs in India. So they stick with the skilled service sectors to beat China!
Not that any of their goods and services are brilliant and miles better than EU/US local produce or service...but its still cheaper overall.
t wages.So in a few years time...China will have increasing wages which means lower profit margins for companies outsourcing production to China..which means we are all better off making our s
t here in our own local factories!!! I would rather pay £700 for an Ipad made in USA rather than Ipad made in China for £5!This is why China is beating India in the manufacturing game! You cant manufacture at these low costs in India. So they stick with the skilled service sectors to beat China!
Not that any of their goods and services are brilliant and miles better than EU/US local produce or service...but its still cheaper overall.
Conian said:
how can there be a rich and poor divide in China when it's a communist country and communism says that everyone is equal? hmmmmm
Ever the case.I stayed in a hotel in Moscow which originally catered for officials of their ministry for foreign affairs (you'd think there wasn't much doing in that respect, what with the Cold War and all) just behind the Stalinist department building.
The outside of the hotel looked dull as ditch water, but inside was finished to a reasonably high spec - far higher than your average Russian would ever see - comparable to a decent western hotel.
Nowadays of course, Moscow, like any other big city, has big, flash, showy
Conian said:
how can there be a rich and poor divide in China when it's a communist country and communism says that everyone is equal? hmmmmm
It's the most capitalist country I've ever been to. Beats the USA in to a cocked hat.Biggest class divide too. Very much the haves and the have-nots.
maser_spyder said:
Conian said:
how can there be a rich and poor divide in China when it's a communist country and communism says that everyone is equal? hmmmmm
It's the most capitalist country I've ever been to. Beats the USA in to a cocked hat.Biggest class divide too. Very much the haves and the have-nots.
308mate said:
maser_spyder said:
I've just gotten back from that part of the world.
One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
But should we be imposing western developed nation values on a industrially developing country?One of my staff in China knows somebody that works in the factory as a manager, and isn't impressed with it.
Apparently the wages really are that low (and it's not that cheap to live in China if you want a half-decent standard of life), and they push people to work extra hard for 'bonus', which is basically still a pittance.
According to her friend, it's really not a great place to work.
And yes, it is huge. Most things in China are!
Its hard work, its s
t money. So what? Every developing economy goes through this stage, including our own.I totally agree, and know all about the east/west differences in values, but when you see how some people live out there....
The sad bit is with all that experience of countries going through economic development, we've apparently learned very little about it. Still, the people seem generally happy (Foxconn workers aside), if subservient as usual.
Anyway, you or I are not going to change anything, there's just too many of them to make a difference.
ln1234 said:
maser_spyder said:
Conian said:
how can there be a rich and poor divide in China when it's a communist country and communism says that everyone is equal? hmmmmm
It's the most capitalist country I've ever been to. Beats the USA in to a cocked hat.Biggest class divide too. Very much the haves and the have-nots.
So in the short term it is rubbish for the impoverished workers whilst they undercut the west (destroying western jobs and copying western technology when western companies "invest") but they are hoarding dollars to buy up future entergy supply.....
RichardD said:
ln1234 said:
maser_spyder said:
Conian said:
how can there be a rich and poor divide in China when it's a communist country and communism says that everyone is equal? hmmmmm
It's the most capitalist country I've ever been to. Beats the USA in to a cocked hat.Biggest class divide too. Very much the haves and the have-nots.
So in the short term it is rubbish for the impoverished workers whilst they undercut the west (destroying western jobs and copying western technology when western companies "invest") but they are hoarding dollars to buy up future entergy supply.....
fbrs said:
im suprised its never been tried. you have 2 choices; 200quid, made in china or 300quid made in britain with a big old 'made in britain' union jack on it. know what i'd rather have.
The one that works, and costs less? Or the one that costs more, and doesn't work because someone on the production line left out a key component to spite his line manager, because he wasn't allowed to have a go on the managers swivel chair and wife, in contravention of union rule 13b. subclause K, paragraph 3?Well, food for thought for all of us.
Whatever your particular persuasion.
Thing is, this is a factory, employing many.
As others have said, as was once here.
Now, looking forward, which Nation do you all think will, in twenty years time, be the more wealthy, able to provide for it's citizens?
Whatever your particular persuasion.
Thing is, this is a factory, employing many.
As others have said, as was once here.
Now, looking forward, which Nation do you all think will, in twenty years time, be the more wealthy, able to provide for it's citizens?
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