The Times paywalls go up...

[Globulator]

What is there to pay for?

Reprinted press releases and some biased AGW ranting?
And to support Murdoch - the death of real journalism and the abduction of football to expensive pay channels so I can pay to watch some multi-millionaires play average football?

I'd really prefer to pay my food bills and my tax for the chavs.

[unpc]

Frankeh said:

tinman0 said:

I'm struggling to remember a single ad that I've clicked on in the last year, let alone month.

Your ignorance about advertising online really does show in that particular sentence.

The average person (And yes, that includes you) will click a lot of advertising links each day. You might just not know it.

The likelihood is that in the past week, if you've looked to buy anything online then you've clicked on a lot of ads. And I mean a lot.

Been looking at buying an electrical item in the past week? Did you go to a review site? Did they have a handy amazon link at the bottom?

Yeah, well that would have been an affiliate link. If you navigate from one site to another by clicking a link, the likelihood is someone got paid for that transaction.

For example, on reddit.com you can post ads. One user purely posts text based ads which say something like "One of the greatest films of this decade"- The times.

You click the link and it goes to the DVD of "The Departed" or some st on amazon.

However that affiliate now gets 4% of your purchases for that day. Not only if you buy the DVD, but if you buy ANYTHING he will get 4%.

I heard from a guy who owns a small book review site than he did a review for a book, someone clicked his amazon affiliate link and then went on to buy a stload of electronics that day.

He got something like 10,000 impressions on the review, but made a return of 500 dollars, or somewhere there abouts. Hardly anything was made from book sales.

Also, the fact that you were selling impressions just proves my point that you're blaming online advertising for your own inexperience in the field.

Well, I must be the exception that proves your rule then because I resolutely do not click on advertising links, ever. If I want to buy something on the internet, I go directly to the site where I know I can get it. I'm probably an advertisers worst nightmare. If I read a print newspaper I don't even see the adverts. My Mrs will read the same paper and comment on an advert and sound incredulous that I didn't even see the full page ad. I suspect I'm not alone in doing this though.

[Frankeh]

unpc said:

Frankeh said:

tinman0 said:

I'm struggling to remember a single ad that I've clicked on in the last year, let alone month.

Your ignorance about advertising online really does show in that particular sentence.

The average person (And yes, that includes you) will click a lot of advertising links each day. You might just not know it.

The likelihood is that in the past week, if you've looked to buy anything online then you've clicked on a lot of ads. And I mean a lot.

Been looking at buying an electrical item in the past week? Did you go to a review site? Did they have a handy amazon link at the bottom?

Yeah, well that would have been an affiliate link. If you navigate from one site to another by clicking a link, the likelihood is someone got paid for that transaction.

For example, on reddit.com you can post ads. One user purely posts text based ads which say something like "One of the greatest films of this decade"- The times.

You click the link and it goes to the DVD of "The Departed" or some st on amazon.

However that affiliate now gets 4% of your purchases for that day. Not only if you buy the DVD, but if you buy ANYTHING he will get 4%.

I heard from a guy who owns a small book review site than he did a review for a book, someone clicked his amazon affiliate link and then went on to buy a stload of electronics that day.

He got something like 10,000 impressions on the review, but made a return of 500 dollars, or somewhere there abouts. Hardly anything was made from book sales.

Also, the fact that you were selling impressions just proves my point that you're blaming online advertising for your own inexperience in the field.

Well, I must be the exception that proves your rule then because I resolutely do not click on advertising links

You've probably clicked 10 today already. You just don't know it.

[Frankeh]

An experiment for if you use firefox.

Install this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/315...

Clear your cookies.

Surf the internet for a week then view all the cookies created. You will be amazed at the amount of tracking cookies you will collect, each with some affiliate associated with them.

[MX7]

Frankeh said:

unpc said:

Frankeh said:

tinman0 said:

I'm struggling to remember a single ad that I've clicked on in the last year, let alone month.

Your ignorance about advertising online really does show in that particular sentence.

The average person (And yes, that includes you) will click a lot of advertising links each day. You might just not know it.

The likelihood is that in the past week, if you've looked to buy anything online then you've clicked on a lot of ads. And I mean a lot.

Been looking at buying an electrical item in the past week? Did you go to a review site? Did they have a handy amazon link at the bottom?

Yeah, well that would have been an affiliate link. If you navigate from one site to another by clicking a link, the likelihood is someone got paid for that transaction.

For example, on reddit.com you can post ads. One user purely posts text based ads which say something like "One of the greatest films of this decade"- The times.

You click the link and it goes to the DVD of "The Departed" or some st on amazon.

However that affiliate now gets 4% of your purchases for that day. Not only if you buy the DVD, but if you buy ANYTHING he will get 4%.

I heard from a guy who owns a small book review site than he did a review for a book, someone clicked his amazon affiliate link and then went on to buy a stload of electronics that day.

He got something like 10,000 impressions on the review, but made a return of 500 dollars, or somewhere there abouts. Hardly anything was made from book sales.

Also, the fact that you were selling impressions just proves my point that you're blaming online advertising for your own inexperience in the field.

Well, I must be the exception that proves your rule then because I resolutely do not click on advertising links

You've probably clicked 10 today already. You just don't know it.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

[Frankeh]

http://imgur.com/000CE.png


A picture to help you out.

[turbobloke]

MX7 said:

Frankeh said:

unpc said:

Frankeh said:

tinman0 said:

I'm struggling to remember a single ad that I've clicked on in the last year, let alone month.

Your ignorance about advertising online really does show in that particular sentence.

The average person (And yes, that includes you) will click a lot of advertising links each day. You might just not know it.

The likelihood is that in the past week, if you've looked to buy anything online then you've clicked on a lot of ads. And I mean a lot.

Been looking at buying an electrical item in the past week? Did you go to a review site? Did they have a handy amazon link at the bottom?

Yeah, well that would have been an affiliate link. If you navigate from one site to another by clicking a link, the likelihood is someone got paid for that transaction.

For example, on reddit.com you can post ads. One user purely posts text based ads which say something like "One of the greatest films of this decade"- The times.

You click the link and it goes to the DVD of "The Departed" or some st on amazon.

However that affiliate now gets 4% of your purchases for that day. Not only if you buy the DVD, but if you buy ANYTHING he will get 4%.

I heard from a guy who owns a small book review site than he did a review for a book, someone clicked his amazon affiliate link and then went on to buy a stload of electronics that day.

He got something like 10,000 impressions on the review, but made a return of 500 dollars, or somewhere there abouts. Hardly anything was made from book sales.

Also, the fact that you were selling impressions just proves my point that you're blaming online advertising for your own inexperience in the field.

Well, I must be the exception that proves your rule then because I resolutely do not click on advertising links

You've probably clicked 10 today already. You just don't know it.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Advertisers may not be pleased with either of us but I'm with you on this.

If I click one online advertisement a year it's by accident. Any advertisement, in blog posts or articles or even in neat adverts on PH or elsewhere.

[Frankeh]

Ok, whatever you say. You're wrong, but whatever.

[MX7]

Frankeh said:

http://imgur.com/000CE.png


A picture to help you out.

I don't click the adverts on PH. I haven't clicked on 10 adverts today. I haven't clicked on any adverts today. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

[Esseesse]

Frankeh said:

Ok, whatever you say. You're wrong, but whatever.

You're wrong, I'm with unpc. I know the links you mean in the text, and no I do not click on them.

[Willie Dee]

MX7 said:

Frankeh said:

http://imgur.com/000CE.png


A picture to help you out.

I don't click the adverts on PH. I haven't clicked on 10 adverts today. I haven't clicked on any adverts today. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

You p dumb, hth.

[Frankeh]

MX7 said:

Frankeh said:

http://imgur.com/000CE.png


A picture to help you out.

I don't click the adverts on PH. I haven't clicked on 10 adverts today. I haven't clicked on any adverts today. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

I've explained it as much as I can be bothered to.. (I made a damn picture)..

If you still don't understand where I'm coming from then that's fine.
I don't understand nuclear fission, but I wouldn't say that it doesn't happen.

Essentially, what I'm saying is that innocent looking hyperlinks can be ads earning people money (And this is pretty much how any large websites make money. The one I posted at the end titled "this camera" will earn someone 4% of any purchases made on amazon by the person who clicks it.

Does it look like a link to you? Would you hesitate clicking such a link in a blog post or forum post?

I doubt it.

[Frankeh]

Esseesse said:

Frankeh said:

Ok, whatever you say. You're wrong, but whatever.

You're wrong, I'm with unpc. I know the links you mean in the text, and no I do not click on them.

The idea that you check every URL for a referral ID before clicking is laughable. Even if you did, I would laugh at you because there's just no need to check for a referral ID. There's no negative impact on the clicker of the hyperlink.

Look through your cookies now. I bet you'll find loads, although you may never admit it.

[Willie Dee]

Frankeh said:

Does it look like a link to you? Would you hesitate clicking such a link in a blog post or forum post?

or google search, review website etc etc etc.

[turbobloke]

Esseesse said:

Frankeh said:

Ok, whatever you say. You're wrong, but whatever.

You're wrong, I'm with unpc. I know the links you mean in the text, and no I do not click on them.

There are various types of content on the net and the types visited by different individuals will vary. The content I tend to visit away from PH doesn't have such links or ads, it's not a typical situation but then not clicking gazillions of ads is apparently not typical either.

[Frankeh]

Willie Dee said:

Frankeh said:

Does it look like a link to you? Would you hesitate clicking such a link in a blog post or forum post?

or google search, review website etc etc etc.

Thank you. Finally someone gets it.

[Willie Dee]

Frankeh said:

Willie Dee said:

Frankeh said:

Does it look like a link to you? Would you hesitate clicking such a link in a blog post or forum post?

or google search, review website etc etc etc.

Thank you. Finally someone gets it.

Many people get it, just idiots in this thread not understanding how the internet works are being highlighted itt.

turbobloke said:

There are various types of content on the net and the types visited by different individuals will vary. The content I tend to visit away from PH doesn't have such links or ads, it's not a typical situation but then not clicking gazillions of ads is apparently not typical either.

What websites do you use? Is one of them google (or any search engine what so ever)?

[turbobloke]

Genuinely interested in this, and not particularly identifying with any 'idiot' category as yet. Not having knowledge is not idiocy but I still doubt the statements being made.

So if on the rare occasion I use a Google search, Google invoices me without my knowledge? Their finance dept must be overloaded as I haven't heard from them yet.

When occasionally entering a search term such as 'thin flux tube model' and heading off to a university website or academic interest group site or scientist's blog to read a scholarly article somebody uploaded, rather than a product or service - and I'm not interested in browsing for junk as any time to waste is spent productively on PH - does that university or individual pay Google for the privilege of having its website trawled by whatever method Google uses to identify webpages?

I have several websites and could find items on my own pages using Google, but then I haven't paid anybody, nobody has paid me, and I certainly don't get invoiced by my own businesses. So what's going on secretly that passes me by as money doesn't appear to be trickling in or out of any of my accounts via this alleged commercial activity.

[unpc]

Frankeh said:

Willie Dee said:

Frankeh said:

Does it look like a link to you? Would you hesitate clicking such a link in a blog post or forum post?

or google search, review website etc etc etc.

Thank you. Finally someone gets it.

But I don't do these so how would I have clicked on these without knowing it? Sorry, but perhaps not everyone uses the web the way you do. I go straight to the places I want to go. Ok, let's say I get "tricked" into going to site, I don't buy anything there and come out straight away. Who makes money out of that?

[turbobloke]

unpc said:

Frankeh said:

Willie Dee said:

Frankeh said:

Does it look like a link to you? Would you hesitate clicking such a link in a blog post or forum post?

or google search, review website etc etc etc.

Thank you. Finally someone gets it.

But I don't do these so how would I have clicked on these without knowing it? Sorry, but perhaps not everyone uses the web the way you do.

My point exactly, there seem to be too many assumptions being made.