Townies meet foxes
Discussion
deevlash said:
Tiggsy said:
So if you're a townie and think people that like to hunt foxes on a horse are weird in the head and also think foxes running round the garden are quiet cool.....where does that leave me?
naive.
Personally, I do see a difference between a town fox and a country fox. In a town they are just vermin which means you can handle them at your own personal discretion. If you want to get rid of them fine, if you want to use them to teach your children about wild animals etc fine, or if you want to peg your sprog out for Mr Fluffy-Wuffy to feast on, fine. Out in the country they are a genuine threat to peoples' livlihood, so shoot them in the face.
I do treat the two differently. I am more than happy to shoot a fox when at the house, but enjoy seeing them padding around London when at the flat. In London I think they bring an essence of normality to a pretty f
ked up living environment.Having said that, I won't be smeering my children in dripping and leaving them in the garden. They will learn what foxes are and that they are not fluffy little animals.
As for hunts, well I know quite a few people who ride with the hunt and with the exception of the brokers and lawyers who are doing it to drum up business the real people are nearly always highly entertaining nut jobs. Very amusing and likeable, wierd people in my experience.
DonkeyApple said:
Difference is that even the dumbest parents tell their children that a cobra is dangerous and not to go near.
NahhIf we had Cobras the shell suit wearers would blame the government for not doing something about it and demand compo when their illegitimate brown child was bitten.
DonkeyApple said:
Personally, I do see a difference between a town fox and a country fox. In a town they are just vermin which means you can handle them at your own personal discretion.
No they are just vermin, period; it makes no odds where they are, when these clueless anti types bleat on about hunting just replace the word fox with rat to see how daft they really are.Tiggsy said:
Futuo said:
Tiggsy said:
Why do you think a fox in my garden is bad, have you ever met him?
I don't, if you are happy with it's crap and maybe eating your kids then fine and dandy that's your choice.DonkeyApple said:
zakelwe said:
It does make you think how nice the UK is though, kid finds a tail and pulls it and gets a nip, compare that to say India or Australia where if a kid pulled on a tail sticking out what might be on the other end.
Difference is that even the dumbest parents tell their children that a cobra is dangerous and not to go near.I still blame Roald Dahl.
ShadownINja said:
DonkeyApple said:
zakelwe said:
It does make you think how nice the UK is though, kid finds a tail and pulls it and gets a nip, compare that to say India or Australia where if a kid pulled on a tail sticking out what might be on the other end.
Difference is that even the dumbest parents tell their children that a cobra is dangerous and not to go near.I still blame Roald Dahl.
Futuo said:
DonkeyApple said:
Difference is that even the dumbest parents tell their children that a cobra is dangerous and not to go near.
NahhIf we had Cobras the shell suit wearers would blame the government for not doing something about it and demand compo when their illegitimate brown child was bitten.
DonkeyApple said:
Personally, I do see a difference between a town fox and a country fox. In a town they are just vermin which means you can handle them at your own personal discretion.
No they are just vermin, period; it makes no odds where they are, when these clueless anti types bleat on about hunting just replace the word fox with rat to see how daft they really are.Tiggsy said:
Futuo said:
Tiggsy said:
Why do you think a fox in my garden is bad, have you ever met him?
I don't, if you are happy with it's crap and maybe eating your kids then fine and dandy that's your choice.zakelwe said:
It does make you think how nice the UK is though, kid finds a tail and pulls it and gets a nip, compare that to say India or Australia where if a kid pulled on a tail sticking out what might be on the other end.
As a toddler I once picked up a rattlesnake and shock it when I was in Montana luckily the person we were staying with shot it out of my hands good job he was a good shot.Racingdude009 said:
zakelwe said:
It does make you think how nice the UK is though, kid finds a tail and pulls it and gets a nip, compare that to say India or Australia where if a kid pulled on a tail sticking out what might be on the other end.
As a toddler I once picked up a rattlesnake and shock it when I was in Montana luckily the person we were staying with shot it out of my hands good job he was a good shot.
Of course you did...
Futuo said:
ShadownINja said:
There was a fox in some cricket grounds in the southern area of England (Portsmouth?). They used a professional marksman to kill him. Should they have had the horses and hounds run over the cricket green?
Would have been a more clear cut outcome if they had.No shooter is going to hit it every time.
I happened across fox the other day. Big bugger was too. Brandished a blade in my face he did. Said he'd 'cut me real bad if i didn't hand over the keys to my Disco. Managed to give him the slip though, by asking him if he thought I was a clueless townie. He admitted as much. So I suggested he should have visited a good optician. Then he might have seen the off road tyres on the car, clearly identifying me a clued up county boy. Then I threatened him with a swift dose of horse and hounds. He soon buggered off after that I can tell you.
Foxes! Not as smart as they're made-out to be.
Some of the details of this encounter with a fox have been altered to enhance the dramatic content of this post and to reaffirm the PH mantra that foxes are neither 'fluffy' or 'wuffy'.
Foxes! Not as smart as they're made-out to be.
Some of the details of this encounter with a fox have been altered to enhance the dramatic content of this post and to reaffirm the PH mantra that foxes are neither 'fluffy' or 'wuffy'.
TonyToniTone said:
Futuo said:
ShadownINja said:
There was a fox in some cricket grounds in the southern area of England (Portsmouth?). They used a professional marksman to kill him. Should they have had the horses and hounds run over the cricket green?
Would have been a more clear cut outcome if they had.No shooter is going to hit it every time.
My opinion of them is like every animal in the country, if it isn't affecting you directly it's a lovely looking thing. If it's killing your chickens, blow it's head off. Coming from about 5 generations of Farmers, and still knowing quite a few of them, most go with this idea. I was at the Golf course once with the old man and a farmer friend who pointed out a rabbit bouncing along the fairway. "look at him, cute little un ay he?!" If it was on his field though, he or one the lads would of been cooking it up for tea! Got to say, and I'll probably be flamed a bit for this, but all the local hunts to me were Hooray Henrys who wanted to show off the new Range Rover, get a bit merry, play the country gent, then sod off back to the city. I don't know of any true farmer by me who went out on the hunt. It was always something for the Lord and Lady estate owners, working farmers never have the time or inclination to bother.
Edited by Darth Paul on Monday 21st June 23:15
ETA tend to agree with Darth Paul
There's a bit of 'cundry/townie' polarisation going on here.
I grew up on a small West Wales farm (80's). Killed things which we then ate. Struggled with hard times, market prices, weather, foxes taking chickens/geese etc, etc etc. Worked properly hard though.
We wanted fox numbers controlled. But feck me if the local hunt's dogs didn't turn up on our land one day, unannounced without permission, no riders in sight, uncontrolled, chased some ewes in-lamb and caused them to abort. Complained to hunt who didn't cough up a penny or get anywhere near saying sorry.
The hunt were made up of local monied middle class rather than proper bigger landowners who actually respected the land and other farmers.
We did have a proper organised fox cull involving blokes with guns in radio contact who asked for proper access to land prior to the hunt which was fine.
Its not as simple as country = fox hunting and townies = lentil conservation.
There's a bit of 'cundry/townie' polarisation going on here.
I grew up on a small West Wales farm (80's). Killed things which we then ate. Struggled with hard times, market prices, weather, foxes taking chickens/geese etc, etc etc. Worked properly hard though.
We wanted fox numbers controlled. But feck me if the local hunt's dogs didn't turn up on our land one day, unannounced without permission, no riders in sight, uncontrolled, chased some ewes in-lamb and caused them to abort. Complained to hunt who didn't cough up a penny or get anywhere near saying sorry.
The hunt were made up of local monied middle class rather than proper bigger landowners who actually respected the land and other farmers.
We did have a proper organised fox cull involving blokes with guns in radio contact who asked for proper access to land prior to the hunt which was fine.
Its not as simple as country = fox hunting and townies = lentil conservation.
Edited by captainzep on Monday 21st June 23:20
Racingdude009 said:
zakelwe said:
It does make you think how nice the UK is though, kid finds a tail and pulls it and gets a nip, compare that to say India or Australia where if a kid pulled on a tail sticking out what might be on the other end.
As a toddler I once picked up a rattlesnake and shock it when I was in Montana luckily the person we were staying with shot it out of my hands good job he was a good shot.
Tiggsy said:
He's cool...we have squirrels, birds, mr fox, frogs, etc all visit - they are all cool to see and bring nothing negative to the table. Whats the problem with them?
Sounds great, sounds like my place
Darth Paul said:
I don't know of any true farmer by me who went out on the hunt. It was always something for the Lord and Lady estate owners, working farmers never have the time or inclination to bother.
Quite. Round here they just get fellas with rifles to do the job properly and without ballyhoo.Edited by Darth Paul on Monday 21st June 23:15
Tiggsy said:
He's cool...we have squirrels, birds, mr fox, frogs, etc all visit - they are all cool to see and bring nothing negative to the table. Whats the problem with them?
tree rats = squirrels makes me laugh to see how my 6 year old is happy as larry to chuck nuts for tree rats, doubt he'd be quite so keen on a nice big black rat mind.
Must admit I'd like frogs as they are meant to eat slugs.
Must be a lot of poop to clean up - fox & cat crap is disgusting (hate cats too as they crap in my garden but that's because they have fat lazy selfish owners who have no friends hence they have cats for company not to mention are just the sorts to be agin hunting despite their s
t filled pets killing stuff day and night for fun).TonyToniTone said:
Are they only allowed one shot?
Nope, but they still have a less successful kill/alive rate than a hunt. Darth Paul said:
I'll probably be flamed a bit for this, but all the local hunts to me were Hooray Henrys who wanted to show off the new Range Rover, get a bit merry, play the country gent, then sod off back to the city. I don't know of any true farmer by me who went out on the hunt. It was always something for the Lord and Lady estate owners, working farmers never have the time or inclination to bother.
The hunts my wife is involved with couldn't be further away from that, mostly local farmers or people involved with farming. A few wannabes yes but very much in the minority. Don't think most of them would have ever been to a city other than to pick up someone from a train station.As for Wales, last Welsh hunt I heard of was run by miners, not sure how toffy nosed they were though.
Futuo said:
tree rats = squirrels
Must be a lot of poop to clean up - fox & cat crap is disgusting
I've never got the "tree rat" thing....if real rats lived in trees and ate nuts no one would care - its only because of their ability to go through bins/sMust be a lot of poop to clean up - fox & cat crap is disgusting
t that people dont want them around. I've yet to see a squirrel behave in any way that is negative towards me or my property.And in 10 years here i cant ever recall seeing any cat or fox s
t....we have dogs so maybe that find this too scary a place for a dump?
Racingdude009 said:
zakelwe said:
It does make you think how nice the UK is though, kid finds a tail and pulls it and gets a nip, compare that to say India or Australia where if a kid pulled on a tail sticking out what might be on the other end.
As a toddler I once picked up a rattlesnake and shock it when I was in Montana luckily the person we were staying with shot it out of my hands good job he was a good shot. And then I woke up and it was all a dream.
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