Should the BBC be privatised?
Discussion
elster said:
Fittster said:
The quality is a side issue.
There are lots of goods and services in the world that are very good, that doesn't mean it should be compulsory to buy them.
OK, so you want to pay the licence fee and not get the BBC?There are lots of goods and services in the world that are very good, that doesn't mean it should be compulsory to buy them.
Or you would rather having to pay a private company for all channels, you can bet the free channels if there were any, would be having US style ad breaks?
As business sense you would be paying more than the current licence fee.
So you want to lose quality, price and lack of adverts. As well as the minority crowds on the educational programs.
It's perfectly possible to have subscription channels without adverts.
Looking at BBC 1 and Radio 1 and tell me they provide anything that the commercial sector can't.
It's also worth considering that the huge amounts of taxpayers funds that fund the state broadcaster stunt the commcercial sector in the UK.
munroman said:
Eric Mc said:
Yes - I absolutely love ITV a nd Channel 4and the way they handle evertything - especially their sports coverage. The ITV years of F1 coverage were the best ever. The constant ad breaks during the race added so much to each race weekend. I really miss this aspect of F1 coverage and find the constant unbroken coverage as seen on BBC terribly frustrating. There is nothing better than coming back after an ad break to find that you've missed the only overtaking manoeuver of the race or the only goal of the game.
And while you're at it it, abolish all the radio coverage and website material they carry as that is just so much junk. I mean, who wants to be intellectually stimulated or eductated or challenged by the media. Give me "You've Been Framed", "Britain's Got Talent" or "Big Brother" any day.
Yes - commercial is best. Shut down the BBC straight away and refund me the exhorbitant 3p a day they charge. Outrageous!
Eh, I get a figure of 40 p per day based on £145.50 pa?And while you're at it it, abolish all the radio coverage and website material they carry as that is just so much junk. I mean, who wants to be intellectually stimulated or eductated or challenged by the media. Give me "You've Been Framed", "Britain's Got Talent" or "Big Brother" any day.
Yes - commercial is best. Shut down the BBC straight away and refund me the exhorbitant 3p a day they charge. Outrageous!
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 28th June 09:57
6.5p for Radio
3p for Digital switch over
2p for online content
Per day.
Pretty good value.
The TV licence is a crime, can you imagine that system being allowed in any other industry?
You have to pay the BBC even if you never watch their channel or listen to their crappy obscure radio stations which have an audience of 3.
Should we pay Ford a 'Car Licence Fee' even if you drive a BMW?
Should vegetarians pay a 'bacon licence' when ordering lettuce... well yes they should, that was a bad example maybe.
Sell the BBC, abolish the licence.
You have to pay the BBC even if you never watch their channel or listen to their crappy obscure radio stations which have an audience of 3.
Should we pay Ford a 'Car Licence Fee' even if you drive a BMW?
Should vegetarians pay a 'bacon licence' when ordering lettuce... well yes they should, that was a bad example maybe.
Sell the BBC, abolish the licence.
Fittster said:
thinfourth2 said:
The beeb is probably the best value of all the government stuff we pay for. I pay loads more tax for the dole scum and I don't get a pet chav to do my garden.
Do you think it is the role of the state to provide entertainment to the population?You would still pay even if BBC was privatised, who would be stupid enough to cut a tax that the whole nation pay.
elster said:
munroman said:
Eric Mc said:
Yes - I absolutely love ITV a nd Channel 4and the way they handle evertything - especially their sports coverage. The ITV years of F1 coverage were the best ever. The constant ad breaks during the race added so much to each race weekend. I really miss this aspect of F1 coverage and find the constant unbroken coverage as seen on BBC terribly frustrating. There is nothing better than coming back after an ad break to find that you've missed the only overtaking manoeuver of the race or the only goal of the game.
And while you're at it it, abolish all the radio coverage and website material they carry as that is just so much junk. I mean, who wants to be intellectually stimulated or eductated or challenged by the media. Give me "You've Been Framed", "Britain's Got Talent" or "Big Brother" any day.
Yes - commercial is best. Shut down the BBC straight away and refund me the exhorbitant 3p a day they charge. Outrageous!
Eh, I get a figure of 40 p per day based on £145.50 pa?And while you're at it it, abolish all the radio coverage and website material they carry as that is just so much junk. I mean, who wants to be intellectually stimulated or eductated or challenged by the media. Give me "You've Been Framed", "Britain's Got Talent" or "Big Brother" any day.
Yes - commercial is best. Shut down the BBC straight away and refund me the exhorbitant 3p a day they charge. Outrageous!
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 28th June 09:57
6.5p for Radio
3p for Digital switch over
2p for online content
Per day.
Pretty good value.
Want me to pay £30 ? Fine. But why the bleeding f
k should I £145 for something I watch for about 6 hours a year ?
If it is such a great service, with such stunning quality, I am sure the people who want it to remain that way will be willing to pay for it directly ? In a way that is similar to how I go to the cinema and purchase tickets or buy DVDs/BDs of movies that I want to watch at home.
k should I £145 for something I watch for about 6 hours a year ?If it is such a great service, with such stunning quality, I am sure the people who want it to remain that way will be willing to pay for it directly ? In a way that is similar to how I go to the cinema and purchase tickets or buy DVDs/BDs of movies that I want to watch at home.
Edited by sinizter on Monday 28th June 10:29
Some examples here of the size of the teams used for these operations, I wonder what the equivalent 'privatised' equivalent would be:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/anger...
Personally, as someone without a TV, by choice, I am sick and fed up of the assumed criminalisation of those who choose not to have a TV, the constant threatening letters, in my innocence I even had an inspector in showing that I didn't have a TV , the following week another threatening letter came through the letterbox.
The time for the BBC has passed, and it's bias has become so extreme that it has lost a lot of credibility, let the market decide what replaces it!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/anger...
Personally, as someone without a TV, by choice, I am sick and fed up of the assumed criminalisation of those who choose not to have a TV, the constant threatening letters, in my innocence I even had an inspector in showing that I didn't have a TV , the following week another threatening letter came through the letterbox.
The time for the BBC has passed, and it's bias has become so extreme that it has lost a lot of credibility, let the market decide what replaces it!
Eric Mc said:
Yes - I absolutely love ITV a nd Channel 4and the way they handle evertything - especially their sports coverage. The ITV years of F1 coverage were the best ever. The constant ad breaks during the race added so much to each race weekend. I really miss this aspect of F1 coverage and find the constant unbroken coverage as seen on BBC terribly frustrating. There is nothing better than coming back after an ad break to find that you've missed the only overtaking manoeuver of the race or the only goal of the game.
Pah, during the race yesterday I was keen for the loo, but no advert on BBC1 so instead I had to run off at a point I thought would be safe. Of course, that was the point at which Webber decided to give Heikki a No Win no Fee personal injury claim............. At least if there was an advert I could have blamed ITV.. 
Jasandjules said:
Eric Mc said:
Yes - I absolutely love ITV a nd Channel 4and the way they handle evertything - especially their sports coverage. The ITV years of F1 coverage were the best ever. The constant ad breaks during the race added so much to each race weekend. I really miss this aspect of F1 coverage and find the constant unbroken coverage as seen on BBC terribly frustrating. There is nothing better than coming back after an ad break to find that you've missed the only overtaking manoeuver of the race or the only goal of the game.
Pah, during the race yesterday I was keen for the loo, but no advert on BBC1 so instead I had to run off at a point I thought would be safe. Of course, that was the point at which Webber decided to give Heikki a No Win no Fee personal injury claim............. At least if there was an advert I could have blamed ITV.. 
I could just about stomach the licence fee provided their news coverage was balanced rather than heavily left leaning(1) and their coverage of global warming scams was unbaised rather than their declared 'position' that it is real and happening, for which there is no evidence.
1 - I sometimes wonder if the staff demongraphy within the beeb is so left slanted (minorities of all types) that they don't actually any longer realise just how far to the left they have lurched.
BBC should be given 12 months to get their house in order at the end of whcih they will have to demonstrate how they have changed and how central their mindeset has become, or they would be sold off.
1 - I sometimes wonder if the staff demongraphy within the beeb is so left slanted (minorities of all types) that they don't actually any longer realise just how far to the left they have lurched.
BBC should be given 12 months to get their house in order at the end of whcih they will have to demonstrate how they have changed and how central their mindeset has become, or they would be sold off.
Parrot of Doom said:
Fittster said:
A system funded by a tax you must pay if even you don't use the service is fundamentally wrong.
Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
What, like the NHS?Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
This analogy and all the rest just don't work.
If you elect to use the NHS you aren't forced to go private.
If you elect to use standard motorways you aren't forced to pay for Toll routes you don't use.
With the BBC and the TV licence there is a compulsion for those not wishing to watch or listen to the beeb (compulsion in effect, in all practical terms) to pay for that second service you do not want and would be happy never to use arising as a result of electing to receive another commercial service - and that is wrong.
turbobloke said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Fittster said:
A system funded by a tax you must pay if even you don't use the service is fundamentally wrong.
Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
What, like the NHS?Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
This analogy and all the rest just don't work.
If you elect to use the NHS you aren't forced to go private.
If you elect to use standard motorways you aren't forced to pay for Toll routes you don't use.
With the BBC and the TV licence there is a compulsion for those not wishing to watch or listen to the beeb (compulsion in effect, in all practical terms) to pay for that second service you do not want and would be happy never to use arising as a result of electing to receive another commercial service - and that is wrong.
If you decide to go private (sky) you don't get to opt out of paying for the NHS (BBC)
In fact, even if you decided to die quietly in a gutter somewhere without treatment (not have a TV), then you still have to pay for the NHS (BBC).
It isn't that "uniquely funded" after all.
cazzer said:
turbobloke said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Fittster said:
A system funded by a tax you must pay if even you don't use the service is fundamentally wrong.
Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
What, like the NHS?Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
This analogy and all the rest just don't work.
If you elect to use the NHS you aren't forced to go private.
If you elect to use standard motorways you aren't forced to pay for Toll routes you don't use.
With the BBC and the TV licence there is a compulsion for those not wishing to watch or listen to the beeb (compulsion in effect, in all practical terms) to pay for that second service you do not want and would be happy never to use arising as a result of electing to receive another commercial service - and that is wrong.
If you decide to go private (sky) you don't get to opt out of paying for the NHS (BBC)
In fact, even if you decided to die quietly in a gutter somewhere without treatment (not have a TV), then you still have to pay for the NHS (BBC).
It isn't that "uniquely funded" after all.
Parrot of Doom said:
Fittster said:
A system funded by a tax you must pay if even you don't use the service is fundamentally wrong.
Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
What, like the NHS?Get rid of the license now, make the BBC a subscription service.
The HUGE problem with making the beeb privatised is the 5% of quality they put out will vanish as there is far more people willing to pay to watch utter dross then there is willing to listen to something like radio 4.
Yes the BBc news is a little bit biased but the simple solution is to not watch it.
Its not hard
Its like the fact i hate deadenders i just don't watch it
If it makes you so angry then simply scrap your telly as the content on sky which is 90% repeats is avaiable through DVDs, iTunes etc
Yes the BBc news is a little bit biased but the simple solution is to not watch it.
Its not hard
Its like the fact i hate deadenders i just don't watch it
If it makes you so angry then simply scrap your telly as the content on sky which is 90% repeats is avaiable through DVDs, iTunes etc
OnTheOverrun said:
Comparing medical care with entertainment is the bad analogy.
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