DNA On Record..
Discussion
Hmm.. I think I'm abit young and naive when it comes to this subject it would seem 
I personally didn't think there was any problem with it at all.. Why not.
But, I see now why its not a good idea.
So another question.
If your DNA is taken because you've been arrested for something should it be kept on file? (As it is at the moment)
I personally didn't think there was any problem with it at all.. Why not.
But, I see now why its not a good idea.
So another question.
If your DNA is taken because you've been arrested for something should it be kept on file? (As it is at the moment)
Jonny671 said:
Hmm.. I think I'm abit young and naive when it comes to this subject it would seem
I personally didn't think there was any problem with it at all.. Why not.
But, I see now why its not a good idea.
So another question.
If your DNA is taken because you've been arrested for something should it be kept on file? (As it is at the moment)
I hate the whole idea of the DNA database and I feel that a maintenance costs far outweigh benefits of the very few crimes solved using it. I personally didn't think there was any problem with it at all.. Why not.
But, I see now why its not a good idea.
So another question.
If your DNA is taken because you've been arrested for something should it be kept on file? (As it is at the moment)
The money would be better spent on new task forces and more officers on the street to tackle anti social behaviour.
However, given that it now exists we probably wont ever get rid of it in its entirety.
I believe that the minimum requirement for your DNA to go onto the database should be a conviction.
Currently me and my friend are on the DNA database. Both of us were arrested and never charged of a crime.
My friend got accused of rape by a girl with bipolar disorder. The police dropped the case due to zero evidence and the fact that it was such a bulls
t story. I was arrested for being a drunk idiot (No kind of violence at all) in a somewhat hard time in my life. I was let out the next morning.
Neither of us were ever charged with a crime, yet we are now being treated like criminals.
When they scan for a rapist, they look at my details. How is that fair? How is it fair that because I was a little loud in the direction of a bouncer I am no deemed likely to be a rapist. At least likely enough to be checked.
It's insane. I would never dream of raping anyone.
Innocent until proven guilty? The DNA database makes a mockery of that.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Jonny671 said:
If your DNA is taken because you've been arrested for something should it be kept on file? (As it is at the moment)
No, you wouldn't believe what mine is on there for. I've asked for it to be removed but was told no because I was arrested for a serious offence.
So.. Another question; What if you are actually charged for something.. Then its fine to be kept on record?
Jonny671 said:
Parking fine?
So.. Another question; What if you are actually charged for something.. Then its fine to be kept on record?
What if you are charged and later found innocent in court? Or the charges are dropped? Would you be happy with your DNA being on file then?So.. Another question; What if you are actually charged for something.. Then its fine to be kept on record?
What if you are charged and found guilty of something fairly minor like breaching the peace, perhaps in an argument with a police officer over a section 59 to make this PH-specific. Should your DNA be taken then? The punishment hardly fits the crime.
Jonny671 said:
If your DNA is taken because you've been arrested for something should it be kept on file? (As it is at the moment)
No. Keeping DNA on record is merely an exercise in fishing for scapegoats.If you have DNA evidence and suspect an invididual, by all means DNA test them. I see no good reason to associate DNA with a database any many not to. It's no more ethical to subject people convicted of one crime to increased and unjustified suspicion than people convicted of no crimes.
It's all part of the paranoia tactic to control the general population.
Jonny671 said:
So at the moment, how when there is a crime do the Police do DNA checks?
Do they take DNA from 'Assulted/Window Frame/Door Handle' etc and then just DNA check against those who they suspect it could be?
They scan the whole database if they've got no leads. That's why it's such a violation of my rights. I'm being compared to a rapist or murderer because of a 'crime' I never got proven guilty of. Do they take DNA from 'Assulted/Window Frame/Door Handle' etc and then just DNA check against those who they suspect it could be?
I have no problem it being taken if you are charged, I have no problem with them keeping it if you are convicted.
I am on it because I went to a supermarket, after I parked up I walked to the entrance, I walk past a huge chav really giving a little old man some claiming he scratched her car, the poor bloke was about 85 and half her size. He pleaded he'd only just turned up.
I asked her to calm down and she started on me (you know the type, head wiggling as she talked as if she is a "sister") I asked her again to calm down and she starts to roll her sleeves up. She came at me poking fingers in my face telling me she had fought bigger blokes than me, I told her to grow up and go home so she starts windmilling. I and another bloke grabbed her and wrestled her to the floor and waited for the police to arrive.
When the police arrived she was screaming that I had punched her (I didn't) the officer took one look at my hand that had been scuffed off the floor as I held her down and immediately arrested me for assault. I spent the night in the cells, had my tattoos photographed and was told if I didn't give a DNA sample they would take it by force.
After they intervied the witnesses and looked at her record they saw she has form for this so let me go, thanks a bunch I thought can you take my DNA off the database now? No Sir.
I am on it because I went to a supermarket, after I parked up I walked to the entrance, I walk past a huge chav really giving a little old man some claiming he scratched her car, the poor bloke was about 85 and half her size. He pleaded he'd only just turned up.
I asked her to calm down and she started on me (you know the type, head wiggling as she talked as if she is a "sister") I asked her again to calm down and she starts to roll her sleeves up. She came at me poking fingers in my face telling me she had fought bigger blokes than me, I told her to grow up and go home so she starts windmilling. I and another bloke grabbed her and wrestled her to the floor and waited for the police to arrive.
When the police arrived she was screaming that I had punched her (I didn't) the officer took one look at my hand that had been scuffed off the floor as I held her down and immediately arrested me for assault. I spent the night in the cells, had my tattoos photographed and was told if I didn't give a DNA sample they would take it by force.
After they intervied the witnesses and looked at her record they saw she has form for this so let me go, thanks a bunch I thought can you take my DNA off the database now? No Sir.
I don't care if my DNA would be on a file or not.
I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
cal72 said:
I don't care if my DNA would be on a file or not.
I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
Thanks very much, I'll be sure to leave your DNA around when I commit crimes!I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
TuxRacer said:
cal72 said:
I don't care if my DNA would be on a file or not.
I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
Thanks very much, I'll be sure to leave your DNA around when I commit crimes!I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
Your comment did not enlighten me as to why your against it though?
Government organised databases have leaks. You're better off not being on them if you don't want your data leaked.
And DNA has a huge emotional significance to the general public, if your DNA is associated with a crime and you don't have an alibi, no one's going to think you might not be guilty.
And DNA has a huge emotional significance to the general public, if your DNA is associated with a crime and you don't have an alibi, no one's going to think you might not be guilty.
cal72 said:
I don't care if my DNA would be on a file or not.
I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
You like speedcameras then?I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
cal72 said:
TuxRacer said:
cal72 said:
I don't care if my DNA would be on a file or not.
I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
Thanks very much, I'll be sure to leave your DNA around when I commit crimes!I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
Your comment did not enlighten me as to why your against it though?
Shirley McKie (as I linked to above) would have been nailed if DNA had been found or wrongly interepreted, as the fingerprints were....
Don't ever think that fit-ups don't happen. Colin Stagg, another innocent of the crime but hounded to the end and fitted up by the policewoman.
Ask yourself this: Do I trust this government, or whomever comes after them? What if by some fluke the BNP gain power in 20-30 years time and have access to the DNA database? Trust them? There are already applications, some granted, by commercial organisations for access to the DNA database - it's worth a lot of cash to them.
Sorry sir, your profile says you have a good chance of xxxx hereditary disease, so no life insurance cover for you!
Once that Genie is out of the bottle, it'll never go back in!
I can see the future, an advert pops up on sky.
"ladies do you want to know if that new man you are seeing has his DNA on the database? Text pervert to 8109 and you will receive two texts messages, one if he's on there and one for us to tell you how your kiddies could be in danger"
On second thoughts I doubt the government would sell our details in that way........
"ladies do you want to know if that new man you are seeing has his DNA on the database? Text pervert to 8109 and you will receive two texts messages, one if he's on there and one for us to tell you how your kiddies could be in danger"
On second thoughts I doubt the government would sell our details in that way........
cal72 said:
I don't care if my DNA would be on a file or not.
I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
So you won't mind a camera in your front room pointing at your sofa either then.I don't intend to break the law at anytime so same goes for CCTV i am not goner break the law so they can have as many cameras as they wish.
There is nothing around towns and cities where they are that i would be concerned of my actions.
Suppose you won't mind your DNA being sold to life insurance companies in 20 years either.
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