Speed camera cuts 'mean disaster'

[youngsyr]

AshVX220 said:

DieselGriff said:

Puggit said:

AshVX220 said:

Tycho said:

Well we will soon find out if they do save lives...


I don't think they do anything but raise money...

A while ago, I would have agreed with you whole heartedly, in fact I felt exactly the same. But (unfortunately) with all these councils now turning them off, would lead me to believe they don't raise much, or enough, to justify having them.

In these times where money's tight for all these councils, they would keep anything that makes money wouldn't they?

Or, does the money from camera's not go to the council that owns them? In which case everything I just said is bks!

Yes, you just spouted!

Initially the camera partnerships were self funded by revenue raised from fines and very soon they started to grow - lot's of vans and cameras which meant more fines and then more money, plush new offices and greater propaganda and more vans and cameras......

Then all fines went to central government who in turn funded the camera partnership through the whole road safety budget - the camera partnerships had to justify themselves and very quickly councils realised they couldn't and closed them down instead.

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

You missed out one key point - ever wondered why so many "Speed Awareness" courses are offered instead of FPNs with fines nowadays?

I've heard rumours that it's because the money charged for the course goes directly to the Scamera Partnership to pay the course provider, rather than to central government as a fine.

Guess who owns the company that is paid to put on the course...

[Terzo123]

The speeding has increased

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-1...

but will there be more death?

Edited by Terzo123 on Tuesday 10th August 17:45

[rs1952]

Terzo123 said:

The speeding has increased

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-1...

but will there be more death?

Edited by Terzo123 on Tuesday 10th August 17:45

Never mind deaths. Have there been any more accidents?

I think the answer is "no" on both counts

And, incidentally, that BBC report mentions Cowley. Is this camera on the perfectly good Oxford bypass DC that was reduced from 70 to 50 for no good reason some years ago?

Edited by rs1952 on Tuesday 10th August 17:50

[ringram]

Yeah heaven forbid they find fatality reduction is to do with better crash zones in cars, better abs, stability control, tires etc.
Oh no thats right, speed cameras are responsible for 100% of the improvement.

Typical response from brain dead dole scum masquerading as public sector employee's

[Vipers]

Terzo123 said:

The speeding has increased

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-1...

but will there be more death?

Edited by Terzo123 on Tuesday 10th August 17:45

Unless I missed something, it didn't actually say by how much those drivers were exceeding the limit.

Was it 33 in 30, and 43 in 40? meaningless trival without stats.

[Hedders]

"Ellen Booth, campaign officer for Brake, said road deaths cost the taxpayer about £1.7m a year"

Is that all??

That is peanuts if you just put it in monetary terms

[nelly1]

Report said:

In Cowley, 62 people were clocked speeding, representing a rise of 88%, the partnership revealed.

In Woodstock 110 drivers were over the 30mph limit, which is 18% more than the average for 2010.

Terrifying stats there...so people were actually slowing down to avoid points and a fine before? Never!

Report then said:

Insp Paul Winks, from Thames Valley Police, said: "It's obviously disappointing.

"It clearly means switching off the camera has given a green light to a small number of people to break the law.

"The consequence is more death and more death is unacceptable."

So Speed=Lawbreaking=Death.

Simple really

[AlpineWhite]

nelly1 said:

Report said:

In Cowley, 62 people were clocked speeding, representing a rise of 88%, the partnership revealed.

In Woodstock 110 drivers were over the 30mph limit, which is 18% more than the average for 2010.

Terrifying stats there...so people were actually slowing down to avoid points and a fine before? Never!

62 people, in five days. How busy is the road? Seeing as speed cameras are rarely put on the backstreets, I would imagine that 62 cars is a fairly small percentage.

[F i F]

F i F said:

odyssey2200 said:

Just because the camera is off, don't drive like a !

Not in Oxfordshire but in the last few days on a road with imo an artificially low limit normally policed by vans, plus a couple of statics, there has been a noticeable increase in the behaviour described above, ie DLAC.

That not only includes above the posted limit but in many cases significantly above what the NSL would be and includes things that I would argue are contrary to S3 RTA, ie genuinely DLAC and not just OPL.

This, no matter what our views re cameras and the pratnerships in general are, really is NOT a good thing.

I have to say though that a few days ago I saw somebody who really was DLAC, and was rather gratified to see him in a layby a bit down the road about to be spoken to by a somewhat attractive and distinctly curvy brunette who had been pottering about in an unmarked.



PS, I would btw, in case anyone wondered.

[bonsai]

From their point of view, why announce that they're being turned off?? It makes no sense. Their publicised aim is to make roads safer by forcing drivers to slow down. The cameras have that effect regardless of whether they actually photograph people, so they could enjoy the "beneficial" effects of the cameras whilst also saving the operating costs by just leaving them as they are. The vast, vast majority of drivers would never have known.

[DAVEVO9]

rs1952 said:

And, incidentally, that BBC report mentions Cowley. Is this camera on the perfectly good Oxford bypass DC that was reduced from 70 to 50 for no good reason some years ago?

No It's on the Watlington Rd Cowley in a 30 limit.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/svpw?url=http:%2F%2F...

[Funkateer]

Vipers said:

Terzo123 said:

The speeding has increased

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-1...

but will there be more death?

Edited by Terzo123 on Tuesday 10th August 17:45

Unless I missed something, it didn't actually say by how much those drivers were exceeding the limit.

Was it 33 in 30, and 43 in 40? meaningless trival without stats.

Indeed! I wouldn't be surprised if people are doing pretty much the same speeds as before, just in the old days of the scameras, the speeds in question would not have resulted in a prosecution, and hence been undetected!

Also as an earlier poster mentioned, why announce the cameras are being turned off? It's almost like they are trying to attract a certain sort of motorist to the area, in the hope that they will crash at above the speed limit and 'justify' the scameras'/scammers' measley existance!

[youngsyr]

Hedders said:

"Ellen Booth, campaign officer for Brake, said road deaths cost the taxpayer about £1.7m a year"

Is that all??

That is peanuts if you just put it in monetary terms

You sound surprised? Approximately twice as many people commit suicide compared to dieing in RTAs in the UK each year. Funnily enough, it's diificult to make money out of stopping people killing themselves though!

[Vipers]

OK, so x amount of people die due to excessive speed...........

And x amount of people die due aquaplaning, so lets ban driving in the rain and be dont with it as well.

There is no doubt in my mind that certain people being people will allways drive at speeds inappropriate to the road conditions, their vehicle, and their driving capability.

You wont change that, with or without cameras.

[anonymous-user]

Funkateer said:

why announce the cameras are being turned off?

exactly. screams 'slash and burn', nice. either they know scameras don't work so announcing it will make no difference or they beleive they do work and they want casualties to increase to justify their own existance. redundancy is too good for these scamera parasites

[munroman]

fbrs said:

Funkateer said:

why announce the cameras are being turned off?

exactly. screams 'slash and burn', nice. either they know scameras don't work so announcing it will make no difference or they beleive they do work and they want casualties to increase to justify their own existance. Burning at the stake is too good for these scamera parasites

Fixed it for you!

[youngsyr]

Vipers said:

OK, so x amount of people die due to excessive speed...........

And x amount of people die due aquaplaning, so lets ban driving in the rain and be dont with it as well.

There is no doubt in my mind that certain people being people will allways drive at speeds inappropriate to the road conditions, their vehicle, and their driving capability.

You wont change that, with or without cameras.

Dept of Health said:

...over 80,000 deaths a year are due to smoking in England alone.

There are around 3,000 deaths from road accidents each year. So, for every person that dies on the road 26 die from smoking tobacco products.

Now consider that speeding isn't the primary cause in even the majority of road accidents and it suddenly becomes apparent that saving lives isn't the real agenda behind speed cameras.

Source for quote: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.dh...

[anonymous-user]

munroman said:

fbrs said:

Funkateer said:

why announce the cameras are being turned off?

exactly. screams 'slash and burn', nice. either they know scameras don't work so announcing it will make no difference or they beleive they do work and they want casualties to increase to justify their own existance. Burning at the stake is too good for these scamera parasites

Fixed it for you!

my mistake thanks

[spaximus]

The reason they have made a song and dance about it is simple, they are going to be out of work! If on the otherhand they can raise the profile and get the goverment to reverse the decision due to the out cry then they will keep their jobs.

The reality is that it has not worked in the eyes of the people who drive. The partnerships wanted speeding to be as shameful an offence as drink driving, but in reality now you have had so many caught from all walks of life for what is minor indescresions, that it has now become a normal conversation at dinner parties.

You would never get people talking openly about DD and being supported by others around the table, yet speeding fines and points is now reguarded as a normal thing that everyone will suffer in their driving. The other thing is people see through the retoric easily now. The press have as well almost got licence to tell the truth now the demise has been started. Before a journelist who questioned the partnerships was torn to shreds and shown pictures of dead children, now we see figures being manipulated in the press,articles showing that cameras don't work (otherwise there would be no fines generated)

It has been the worst case of empire building and cash generating that there has been by our goverment.

[AJI]

Good to see that in my local area these scamera vans look like they are going out of action!

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/redundancy-notic...

Some of the comments made at the bottom show how the public have been 'duped' by the 'government message'.
And the guy in the article, Mr Kevin Tea, thinks that they are the saviour of all traffic accidents FFS.
You know just from his photo that he is 'the type'.

Please add comments to this site as you see fit. I think it needs some extra 'balance'.