Speed camera cuts 'mean disaster'
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Rusty Arches said:
We should all be keeping a list of people that say it's going to be a disaster, ready for when next years statistics come out showing no increase in road deaths.
Plenty of smug emails, letters and posts should be dedicated to those people, hopefully enough that if anyone googles them, those posts / emails come up first.
But you just know that if there's so much as one extra death on the roads, it'll be due to the lack of scameras..... Plenty of smug emails, letters and posts should be dedicated to those people, hopefully enough that if anyone googles them, those posts / emails come up first.
They'll always manage to be right in their own eyes.
The chap from Oxford Council was on 5live last night, he actually did a very good job of saying that speed cameras don't save lives, as evidenced by Swindon, then he used the TOTC argument to defend the decision, it was a choice between speed cameras or 'vita; children services' or some such. The way he justified it seemed to be a pre-emptive strike against all the nutters, rather than anything sinister. Then some nutter from Brake came on and said Swindon was rubbish, a year isn't long enough to tell and blathered on. What was disappointing was that the argument put forward by the Council was it was one or the other, yet Brake seemed to ignore the idea that maybe we can't afford everything anymore, which was a a poor argument given that she had far easier arguments at her disposal. She was still wrong though. And she's still a 
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Does anyone else find it a little unpartisan that all these nutters have their own personal stories of road accidents? I'd find them a bit more credible if they were truly impartial to the issues and able to form balanced opinions.
. Does anyone else find it a little unpartisan that all these nutters have their own personal stories of road accidents? I'd find them a bit more credible if they were truly impartial to the issues and able to form balanced opinions.
We don't need more plod . . . they are not training them properly now and the modern ones are not as honest as the older ones.
We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
At the weekend I travelled some of a route I used to travel about twice a week for 15 years. I haven't been on it for 10 years and now most of the 60 zones are 40, there's stupid orange markings with crosshatchings all over the place, speed cameras dotted around (including two within 200 yards of each other), absurd rumble strips approaching every roundabout (thanks, I didn't see that fking enormous mound of earth with the circular road around it), pointless mini roundabouts, double white lines for no reason and general asshattery of the highest order. I must say I'm glad I enjoyed my driving when I was younger because now it's often a chore.
king enormous mound of earth with the circular road around it), pointless mini roundabouts, double white lines for no reason and general asshattery of the highest order. I must say I'm glad I enjoyed my driving when I was younger because now it's often a chore.Busa_Rush said:
We don't need more plod . . . they are not training them properly now and the modern ones are not as honest as the older ones.
We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
Never has so much crap been posted, I almost fell of my sofa at that comment. We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
You really haven't a clue about what went on 'back in the day' if you make comments like that.
Greater publicity of bad officers but far less of it going on or being endemic in units or forces as it was then.
As for your driving test idea it is in theory great but the stark reality of life is that the vast majority of road drivers have no interest whatsoever in making getting a licence harder or keeping it harder, they want the quickest and cheapest route into whatever vehicle they want. Even on this website very few of the members have had any further form of on road driver training.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Busa_Rush said:
We don't need more plod . . . they are not training them properly now and the modern ones are not as honest as the older ones.
We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
Never has so much crap been posted, I almost fell of my sofa at that comment. We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
You really haven't a clue about what went on 'back in the day' if you make comments like that.
Greater publicity of bad officers but far less of it going on or being endemic in units or forces as it was then.
As for your driving test idea it is in theory great but the stark reality of life is that the vast majority of road drivers have no interest whatsoever in making getting a licence harder or keeping it harder, they want the quickest and cheapest route into whatever vehicle they want. Even on this website very few of the members have had any further form of on road driver training.
ds sorting scum out!On a slightly more serious note, after spending over 2 and a half years in Italy, I can tell you with some confidence that the worst drivers in the UK are like the very best in Italy - you really have no idea how 'tame' the UK drivers are.....Driving in the UK is now so much more relaxing - something I wouldn't have dreamed of stating a few years ago....
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Busa_Rush said:
We don't need more plod . . . they are not training them properly now and the modern ones are not as honest as the older ones.
We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
Never has so much crap been posted, I almost fell of my sofa at that comment. We need a tiered driving test . . . give some encouragement to move up the tiers . . . right now everybody passes the basic test and thinks they're a good driver because they've passed a test . . . without realising that the basic test only means you've simply competent to start it and park it, not to drive it.
You really haven't a clue about what went on 'back in the day' if you make comments like that.
Greater publicity of bad officers but far less of it going on or being endemic in units or forces as it was then.
As for your driving test idea it is in theory great but the stark reality of life is that the vast majority of road drivers have no interest whatsoever in making getting a licence harder or keeping it harder, they want the quickest and cheapest route into whatever vehicle they want. Even on this website very few of the members have had any further form of on road driver training.
If you fell off your sofa it'll be you beer gut chap, not what I say 
As a member of the public, the snotty faced, miserable, interfering, jack-the-lad cops we seem to get these days are no where near the calibre of the cops who used to meet the public.
Today the vast majority I meet (not a big selection, it has to be said) do not fill me with confidence . . . they have very little ability to join in intelligent conversation, have poor knowledge of the law and in several cases have simply lied . . . and not even very well.
So before your gut pulls you off your sofa again, consider that other people have met different cops and have different opinions based on their own experiences.
As you were occifer
Mr_annie_vxr said:
As for your driving test idea it is in theory great but the stark reality of life is that the vast majority of road drivers have no interest whatsoever in making getting a licence harder or keeping it harder, they want the quickest and cheapest route into whatever vehicle they want. Even on this website very few of the members have had any further form of on road driver training.
That's an easy one. Whack insurance premiums up through the roof, and stagger them back down with relation to a tiered driving instruction program.
Famous Graham said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
As for your driving test idea it is in theory great but the stark reality of life is that the vast majority of road drivers have no interest whatsoever in making getting a licence harder or keeping it harder, they want the quickest and cheapest route into whatever vehicle they want. Even on this website very few of the members have had any further form of on road driver training.
That's an easy one. Whack insurance premiums up through the roof, and stagger them back down with relation to a tiered driving instruction program.
sjn2004 said:
Who would dream up such a dumb headline, the BBC of course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10755509
"Campaigners have said it would be a "disaster" if council cuts in England and Wales mean speed cameras are scrapped.
Oxfordshire County Council is switching off its 72 speed cameras after funding for its road safety partnership was cut by £600,000."
Yippee!
Radio 4 covered this toady, The Beeb was very much in favour of cameras.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10755509
"Campaigners have said it would be a "disaster" if council cuts in England and Wales mean speed cameras are scrapped.
Oxfordshire County Council is switching off its 72 speed cameras after funding for its road safety partnership was cut by £600,000."
Yippee!
No interviews with anybody who opposes cameras. Where's the Beeb's impartiality gone...?
mybrainhurts said:
Radio 4 covered this toady, The Beeb was very much in favour of cameras.
No interviews with anybody who opposes cameras. Where's the Beeb's impartiality gone...?
Yes I heard it and didn't think it impartial or in favour of cameras but the usual routine - someone (Oxford Council) was proposing something new, BBC questioned their stance. Journalisms imo.No interviews with anybody who opposes cameras. Where's the Beeb's impartiality gone...?
Busa_Rush said:
As a member of the public, the snotty faced, miserable, interfering, jack-the-lad cops we seem to get these days are no where near the calibre of the cops who used to meet the public.
Today the vast majority I meet (not a big selection, it has to be said) do not fill me with confidence . . . they have very little ability to join in intelligent conversation, have poor knowledge of the law and in several cases have simply lied . . . and not even very well.
Class!Today the vast majority I meet (not a big selection, it has to be said) do not fill me with confidence . . . they have very little ability to join in intelligent conversation, have poor knowledge of the law and in several cases have simply lied . . . and not even very well.
DAVEVO9 said:
Busa_Rush said:
As a member of the public, the snotty faced, miserable, interfering, jack-the-lad cops we seem to get these days are no where near the calibre of the cops who used to meet the public.
Today the vast majority I meet (not a big selection, it has to be said) do not fill me with confidence . . . they have very little ability to join in intelligent conversation, have poor knowledge of the law and in several cases have simply lied . . . and not even very well.
Class!Today the vast majority I meet (not a big selection, it has to be said) do not fill me with confidence . . . they have very little ability to join in intelligent conversation, have poor knowledge of the law and in several cases have simply lied . . . and not even very well.
One thing I have noted on here is that all those who advocate the high driver training or who have taken the course. By and large it has seemed to me, a lot of them often come across as complete morons who I would feel the need to stab with a pencil if I had the misfortune of having to talk to their faces.
But thats just my personal opinion.
But thats just my personal opinion.
sjn2004 said:
WhoseGeneration said:
The answer to all this is to have drivers properly trained to drive our roads.
Most are not, not able to consider or plan their driving.
Speed cameras were never the solution.
Intelligent traffic policing could be.
You mean like take those drivers off the motorways that do 45mph in the slow lane causing havoc for all the other users?Most are not, not able to consider or plan their driving.
Speed cameras were never the solution.
Intelligent traffic policing could be.
A punter on Radio 2 yesterday said he had the answer to cut the road problem, "Reduce the power of the cars", yes mate, so we didn't have crashes in the 30's 40's 50's then?
Edited by Vipers on Tuesday 27th July 08:34
Mr_annie_vxr said:
DAVEVO9 said:
Busa_Rush said:
As a member of the public, the snotty faced, miserable, interfering, jack-the-lad cops we seem to get these days are no where near the calibre of the cops who used to meet the public.
Today the vast majority I meet (not a big selection, it has to be said) do not fill me with confidence . . . they have very little ability to join in intelligent conversation, have poor knowledge of the law and in several cases have simply lied . . . and not even very well.
Class!Today the vast majority I meet (not a big selection, it has to be said) do not fill me with confidence . . . they have very little ability to join in intelligent conversation, have poor knowledge of the law and in several cases have simply lied . . . and not even very well.
All I can say is what I heard and saw . . . makes no difference to me . . .
DJC said:
One thing I have noted on here is that all those who advocate the high driver training or who have taken the course. By and large it has seemed to me, a lot of them often come across as complete morons who I would feel the need to stab with a pencil if I had the misfortune of having to talk to their faces.
But thats just my personal opinion.
What course ? Why would you want to stab somebody who has taken additional driver training ?But thats just my personal opinion.
Busa_Rush said:
DJC said:
One thing I have noted on here is that all those who advocate the high driver training or who have taken the course. By and large it has seemed to me, a lot of them often come across as complete morons who I would feel the need to stab with a pencil if I had the misfortune of having to talk to their faces.
But thats just my personal opinion.
What course ? Why would you want to stab somebody who has taken additional driver training ?But thats just my personal opinion.
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