Preparing hard workers for a future of tax paying...
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Heard someone on the radio sick and tired of paying taxes to support the great unwashed.
They suggested putting into place a system right from school just so we know where we stand. This would involve any child who works hard and gets good marks for work/exams having to share these marks with all the lazy/hopeless kids because it's not their fault is it?
This would prepare the hard workers for a future of tax paying.
I thought it was quite a good point
They suggested putting into place a system right from school just so we know where we stand. This would involve any child who works hard and gets good marks for work/exams having to share these marks with all the lazy/hopeless kids because it's not their fault is it?
This would prepare the hard workers for a future of tax paying.
I thought it was quite a good point
Driller said:
Heard someone on the radio sick and tired of paying taxes to support the great unwashed.
They suggested putting into place a system right from school just so we know where we stand. This would involve any child who works hard and gets good marks for work/exams having to share these marks with all the lazy/hopeless kids because it's not their fault is it?
This would prepare the hard workers for a future of tax paying.
I thought it was quite a good point
Doesn't that already happen in a lot of state schools? Those that want to work are held back by those who can't be bothered and those who cause disruption, the teacher has to teach at a level suitable for the lowest in the class.They suggested putting into place a system right from school just so we know where we stand. This would involve any child who works hard and gets good marks for work/exams having to share these marks with all the lazy/hopeless kids because it's not their fault is it?
This would prepare the hard workers for a future of tax paying.
I thought it was quite a good point
tankplanker said:
Driller said:
Heard someone on the radio sick and tired of paying taxes to support the great unwashed.
They suggested putting into place a system right from school just so we know where we stand. This would involve any child who works hard and gets good marks for work/exams having to share these marks with all the lazy/hopeless kids because it's not their fault is it?
This would prepare the hard workers for a future of tax paying.
I thought it was quite a good point
Doesn't that already happen in a lot of state schools? Those that want to work are held back by those who can't be bothered and those who cause disruption, the teacher has to teach at a level suitable for the lowest in the class.They suggested putting into place a system right from school just so we know where we stand. This would involve any child who works hard and gets good marks for work/exams having to share these marks with all the lazy/hopeless kids because it's not their fault is it?
This would prepare the hard workers for a future of tax paying.
I thought it was quite a good point
If you have any choice in the matter, send your kids to an Academy or a Church school, or if they are as intelligent and wonderful as the average yummy-mummy makes out, get them through the eleven-plus. The 'bog-standard' comprehensives just seem to be churning out witless clones these days. I went back to my old school while I was studying for my aborted PGCE and was shocked to discover they'd got rid of the library, and studying whole books isn't on the curriculum any more. The excuse? 'Kids don't read whole books any more, they don't have the attention span, plus everything's on the internet these days'.
Bulls
t. Why does JK Rowling do so well then? Or Phillip Pullman? Or Stephanie Meyer? Or the hundreds of other kids authors churning out breezeblock-sized tomes far in advance of the tripe that was aimed at kids in the late '80s/early '90s when I would've been 'Harry Potter' age. All the current English curriculum prepares kids for is a life of menial drudgery and believing everything they read at face value. As a result, a lot of the curriculum is just based around getting 'results', even if those results are meaningless in terms of the child's ability to do useful real-world things.So perfect citizens of the New Labour 'project' then. A life of patronising dependency from cradle to grave and woe betide you if you try and rock the boat. labour spend ten years trying to pacify society like some exasperated mother trying to force a dummy into her baby's mouth.
God help these kids if they get to university and find themselves having to do proper 'research' in this huge building full of books that they can't quite put a name to.
As far as schools were concerned, New Labour were patronising, social-engineering dictators. And look where their ministers all sent their kids? Private schools, church schools, grammars, academies - what does that tell you?
I believe anyone who is long term unemployed, i.e. twelve months or so should either have they're benefits stopped or be conscripted into the armed forces. I think that through the winter when we had all the snow, benefits spongers should have been out clearing footpaths litter picking.
I have only ever been unemployed for two weeks, because I wanted a couple of weeks off. I have done labouring jobs anything to pay a wage.
My main point is that if the state (taxpayer) looks after you, you should look after the state!
I have only ever been unemployed for two weeks, because I wanted a couple of weeks off. I have done labouring jobs anything to pay a wage.
My main point is that if the state (taxpayer) looks after you, you should look after the state!
It's my view that if you haven't found a job after 2 months your benefit is halved, after 3 completely stopped, from there it's your own problem. There are plenty of jobs about for those who look for them.
If you're a workshy sponging then for all I care you can die of starvation once your benefits are stopped.
I've taken stty jobs I didn't want to do, but I still did them because I needed money.
If you're a workshy sponging
then for all I care you can die of starvation once your benefits are stopped.I've taken s
tty jobs I didn't want to do, but I still did them because I needed money.Snoop Bagg said:
I believe anyone who is long term unemployed, i.e. twelve months or so should either have they're benefits stopped or be conscripted into the armed forces. I think that through the winter when we had all the snow, benefits spongers should have been out clearing footpaths litter picking.
I have only ever been unemployed for two weeks, because I wanted a couple of weeks off. I have done labouring jobs anything to pay a wage.
My main point is that if the state (taxpayer) looks after you, you should look after the state!
Thing is though, the jobcentre advertise thousands of jobs. Even when you're employed their website isn't a bad place to look for jobs sometimes.I have only ever been unemployed for two weeks, because I wanted a couple of weeks off. I have done labouring jobs anything to pay a wage.
My main point is that if the state (taxpayer) looks after you, you should look after the state!
So with that in mind, and given that on occasion between jobs I've had to sign on for National Insurance purposes (although because I always found a job before my claim for JSA came though, with one exception, I've never actually claimed any money from them) I know how they work, I'd propose a different method of signing on.
At the moment, you go in, submit a diary of what you've done to look for work (mine was always full but the usual shellsuits just seemed to 'forget' theirs), they show you some jobs on their database and print them off if you're interested.
I'd change that. Make it compulsory to apply for them, check with the employer that they've applied, and if they don't turn up to the interview, the next job they have to apply for, they get driven from door to door and frogmarched into the interviewer's office.
I don't have a problem with people who keep applying for jobs or turning up to interviews and struggling to find work, that's why it's called jobseeker's allowance and that's what it's for, but a hell of a lot of people really are taking the piss with it.
Chill Winston said:
It's my view that if you haven't found a job after 2 months your benefit is halved, after 3 completely stopped, from there it's your own problem. There are plenty of jobs about for those who look for them.
If you're a workshy sponging then for all I care you can die of starvation once your benefits are stopped.
I've taken stty jobs I didn't want to do, but I still did them because I needed money.
That said, the taxation system (or the minimum wage) needs rejigging, firstly so a job always pays more than benefits, secondly so the minimum wage will allow you to support yourself properly without recourse to means-tested, Labour-voter-favouring tax credits that take an acreage of paperwork, several months and several unco-ordinated offices to process.If you're a workshy sponging
then for all I care you can die of starvation once your benefits are stopped.I've taken s
tty jobs I didn't want to do, but I still did them because I needed money.Twincam16 said:
Snoop Bagg said:
I believe anyone who is long term unemployed, i.e. twelve months or so should either have they're benefits stopped or be conscripted into the armed forces. I think that through the winter when we had all the snow, benefits spongers should have been out clearing footpaths litter picking.
I have only ever been unemployed for two weeks, because I wanted a couple of weeks off. I have done labouring jobs anything to pay a wage.
My main point is that if the state (taxpayer) looks after you, you should look after the state!
Thing is though, the jobcentre advertise thousands of jobs. Even when you're employed their website isn't a bad place to look for jobs sometimes.I have only ever been unemployed for two weeks, because I wanted a couple of weeks off. I have done labouring jobs anything to pay a wage.
My main point is that if the state (taxpayer) looks after you, you should look after the state!
So with that in mind, and given that on occasion between jobs I've had to sign on for National Insurance purposes (although because I always found a job before my claim for JSA came though, with one exception, I've never actually claimed any money from them) I know how they work, I'd propose a different method of signing on.
At the moment, you go in, submit a diary of what you've done to look for work (mine was always full but the usual shellsuits just seemed to 'forget' theirs), they show you some jobs on their database and print them off if you're interested.
I'd change that. Make it compulsory to apply for them, check with the employer that they've applied, and if they don't turn up to the interview, the next job they have to apply for, they get driven from door to door and frogmarched into the interviewer's office.
I don't have a problem with people who keep applying for jobs or turning up to interviews and struggling to find work, that's why it's called jobseeker's allowance and that's what it's for, but a hell of a lot of people really are taking the piss with it.
Well done. Brilliant idea, no really it is. Just like that patent for chocolate socks.
Twincam16 said:
So perfect citizens of the New Labour 'project' then. A life of patronising dependency from cradle to grave and woe betide you if you try and rock the boat.
Let's not forget when the ethos of life on benefits began, that it was ok to do so and who was running the country at the time. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Y4F-UPGHw
heebeegeetee said:
Twincam16 said:
So perfect citizens of the New Labour 'project' then. A life of patronising dependency from cradle to grave and woe betide you if you try and rock the boat.
Let's not forget when the ethos of life on benefits began, that it was ok to do so and who was running the country at the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Y4F-UPGHw
Timmy35 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Twincam16 said:
So perfect citizens of the New Labour 'project' then. A life of patronising dependency from cradle to grave and woe betide you if you try and rock the boat.
Let's not forget when the ethos of life on benefits began, that it was ok to do so and who was running the country at the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Y4F-UPGHw
When labour created the welfare state, housing was affordable and child benefit wasn't paid for the first born.
heebeegeetee said:
Timmy35 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Twincam16 said:
So perfect citizens of the New Labour 'project' then. A life of patronising dependency from cradle to grave and woe betide you if you try and rock the boat.
Let's not forget when the ethos of life on benefits began, that it was ok to do so and who was running the country at the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Y4F-UPGHw
When labour created the welfare state, housing was affordable and child benefit wasn't paid for the first born.
No...wait, back on planet earth. The "evil" tories did not close down the mines to force people to work elsewhere. The closed them as their was no money in them, it was cheaper to import and with Arthur Scargill shouting while on a power trip meant they weren't productive. The factories were closed for a similar reasons. Unions on power trips does not make for good business, look at BA at the moment.
I did not realise people were stupid enough to think a strike when a company is having bad times.
Edited by elster on Tuesday 3rd August 12:40
Simple solution:
If you're of working age and not employed then you must attend a jobseekers office 9-5 five days a week to get benefits. Don't turn up, don't get paid.
There will be an on site team of secretaries to help with CVs and a creche. You'll be able to practice mock interviews. Reps from local businesses will come to talk about the jobs they offer. The forces will come along as well. It will be illegal not to advertise jobs on their database for any company employing more than five people.
State projects like ditch and footpath clearing will be on offer.
Sit and stare out of the window if you want but you'll do that until you are 65. No one will care if you apply for no jobs, you'll just sit there.
Anyone who wanted to work would probably value all the help on offer, note that this isn't intended to be a punishment unless you make it one.
If you're of working age and not employed then you must attend a jobseekers office 9-5 five days a week to get benefits. Don't turn up, don't get paid.
There will be an on site team of secretaries to help with CVs and a creche. You'll be able to practice mock interviews. Reps from local businesses will come to talk about the jobs they offer. The forces will come along as well. It will be illegal not to advertise jobs on their database for any company employing more than five people.
State projects like ditch and footpath clearing will be on offer.
Sit and stare out of the window if you want but you'll do that until you are 65. No one will care if you apply for no jobs, you'll just sit there.
Anyone who wanted to work would probably value all the help on offer, note that this isn't intended to be a punishment unless you make it one.
cymtriks said:
Simple solution:
If you're of working age and not employed then you must attend a jobseekers office 9-5 five days a week to get benefits. Don't turn up, don't get paid.
There will be an on site team of secretaries to help with CVs and a creche. You'll be able to practice mock interviews. Reps from local businesses will come to talk about the jobs they offer. The forces will come along as well. It will be illegal not to advertise jobs on their database for any company employing more than five people.
State projects like ditch and footpath clearing will be on offer.
Sit and stare out of the window if you want but you'll do that until you are 65. No one will care if you apply for no jobs, you'll just sit there.
Anyone who wanted to work would probably value all the help on offer, note that this isn't intended to be a punishment unless you make it one.
This I like. If you're of working age and not employed then you must attend a jobseekers office 9-5 five days a week to get benefits. Don't turn up, don't get paid.
There will be an on site team of secretaries to help with CVs and a creche. You'll be able to practice mock interviews. Reps from local businesses will come to talk about the jobs they offer. The forces will come along as well. It will be illegal not to advertise jobs on their database for any company employing more than five people.
State projects like ditch and footpath clearing will be on offer.
Sit and stare out of the window if you want but you'll do that until you are 65. No one will care if you apply for no jobs, you'll just sit there.
Anyone who wanted to work would probably value all the help on offer, note that this isn't intended to be a punishment unless you make it one.
swerni said:
Timmy35 said:
cymtriks said:
Simple solution:
If you're of working age and not employed then you must attend a jobseekers office 9-5 five days a week to get benefits. Don't turn up, don't get paid.
There will be an on site team of secretaries to help with CVs and a creche. You'll be able to practice mock interviews. Reps from local businesses will come to talk about the jobs they offer. The forces will come along as well. It will be illegal not to advertise jobs on their database for any company employing more than five people.
State projects like ditch and footpath clearing will be on offer.
Sit and stare out of the window if you want but you'll do that until you are 65. No one will care if you apply for no jobs, you'll just sit there.
Anyone who wanted to work would probably value all the help on offer, note that this isn't intended to be a punishment unless you make it one.
This I like. If you're of working age and not employed then you must attend a jobseekers office 9-5 five days a week to get benefits. Don't turn up, don't get paid.
There will be an on site team of secretaries to help with CVs and a creche. You'll be able to practice mock interviews. Reps from local businesses will come to talk about the jobs they offer. The forces will come along as well. It will be illegal not to advertise jobs on their database for any company employing more than five people.
State projects like ditch and footpath clearing will be on offer.
Sit and stare out of the window if you want but you'll do that until you are 65. No one will care if you apply for no jobs, you'll just sit there.
Anyone who wanted to work would probably value all the help on offer, note that this isn't intended to be a punishment unless you make it one.
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