Echoes of Thatcher the milk snatcher.

[tinman0]

petemurphy said:

The truth is, we can get adequate calcium from leafy greens, vegetables, raw nuts and seeds, and beans.

IIRC the historical reason we had milk being given to at least younger children was because they weren't getting a healthy intake of food in the first place, so the schools provided that bit of well being. Plus, children who are healthy are easier to teach and do better at school.

I would reckon the same is true today that a large number of children are fed equally badly. Seeing some of the mothers on the Jamie Oliver programmes merely reaffirms the belief that many children are fed rubbish (and then we wonder why they are hyperactive).

[Fittster]

motco said:

I'm afraid I agree with those who ask why we are providing any free foodstuffs universally. Why stop at milk, why not bread and vegetables, and maybe basic clothing. We could then move on to dormitories and then the parents would be free to waste their money on themselves only. It's a nonsense in a rich society and anyway, is milk really that good a thing for children beyond infancy, and cow's milk? The clue to what it is best for is in the name.

If a child is being malnourished do you think the state should stand aside?

[petemurphy]

Fittster said:

motco said:

I'm afraid I agree with those who ask why we are providing any free foodstuffs universally. Why stop at milk, why not bread and vegetables, and maybe basic clothing. We could then move on to dormitories and then the parents would be free to waste their money on themselves only. It's a nonsense in a rich society and anyway, is milk really that good a thing for children beyond infancy, and cow's milk? The clue to what it is best for is in the name.

If a child is being malnourished do you think the state should stand aside?

no they should step in and punish the parents thats what social services are for. shall we give them free vitamins etc too? where does it end? why is milk healthier than vitamins? tbh a bottle of water would probably do them more good.

[petemurphy]

tinman0 said:

petemurphy said:

The truth is, we can get adequate calcium from leafy greens, vegetables, raw nuts and seeds, and beans.

IIRC the historical reason we had milk being given to at least younger children was because they weren't getting a healthy intake of food in the first place, so the schools provided that bit of well being. Plus, children who are healthy are easier to teach and do better at school.

I would reckon the same is true today that a large number of children are fed equally badly. Seeing some of the mothers on the Jamie Oliver programmes merely reaffirms the belief that many children are fed rubbish (and then we wonder why they are hyperactive).

isnt that what school meals are for - why the need for free milk on top?

[petemurphy]

oh look people on benefits can already get free milk at home so why do they need it at school too????


http://www.healthystart.nhs.uk/

[Sticks.]

tinman0 said:

petemurphy said:

The truth is, we can get adequate calcium from leafy greens, vegetables, raw nuts and seeds, and beans.

IIRC the historical reason we had milk being given to at least younger children was because they weren't getting a healthy intake of food in the first place, so the schools provided that bit of well being. Plus, children who are healthy are easier to teach and do better at school.

I would reckon the same is true today that a large number of children are fed equally badly. Seeing some of the mothers on the Jamie Oliver programmes merely reaffirms the belief that many children are fed rubbish (and then we wonder why they are hyperactive).

Sorry, read it somewhere, only link I could find http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/08/0...

[tinman0]

petemurphy said:

oh look people on benefits can already get free milk at home so why do they need it at school too????


http://www.healthystart.nhs.uk/

If you give the kids at school the milk, then you at least know they got it. (Rather than have a pint of milk traded for some cigarettes).

[Fittster]

petemurphy said:

Fittster said:

motco said:

I'm afraid I agree with those who ask why we are providing any free foodstuffs universally. Why stop at milk, why not bread and vegetables, and maybe basic clothing. We could then move on to dormitories and then the parents would be free to waste their money on themselves only. It's a nonsense in a rich society and anyway, is milk really that good a thing for children beyond infancy, and cow's milk? The clue to what it is best for is in the name.

If a child is being malnourished do you think the state should stand aside?

no they should step in and punish the parents thats what social services are for. shall we give them free vitamins etc too? where does it end? why is milk healthier than vitamins? tbh a bottle of water would probably do them more good.

So the Jamie Oliver campaign to provide healthy school meals was wrong and we should just provide the cheapest options to children? Maybe some chips and a vitamin pill?

[Sticks.]

petemurphy said:

no they should step in and punish the parents thats what social services are for.

Can you suggest a punishment that'll work?

[grumbledoak]

petemurphy said:

The truth is, we can get adequate calcium from leafy greens, vegetables, raw nuts and seeds, and beans.

Ooh, ooh! Can we play spot the vegetarian?

How many working- and benefit- class kids do you think eat any of those?

[markcoznottz]

chris watton said:

Funny, I don't recall the media going all out to crucify Labour when Gordon fked up all of our private pensions, or put us in so much debt that said school kids will still be paying for his inept spending when they're our age.
Compared to what Labour have done, this is but a spit in the ocean.

Pond life dont care about pensions, we pay thiers, oh and ours. Like you say, 'thatcher thatcher milk snatcher is a good rhyme', but unfortunately 'brown brown ruined the best private pension scheme in europe' doesnt really work......

[petemurphy]

grumbledoak said:

petemurphy said:

The truth is, we can get adequate calcium from leafy greens, vegetables, raw nuts and seeds, and beans.

Ooh, ooh! Can we play spot the vegetarian?

How many working- and benefit- class kids do you think eat any of those?

it was a quote from another site not my own. School meals should be healthy that way all your poor darlings will get their vitamins without doubling up on cost by giving out uneeded milk too.

sorry but parents should be responsible for their kids its not my job or tax money that should be paying for their lack of care.

[Fittster]

petemurphy said:

grumbledoak said:

petemurphy said:

The truth is, we can get adequate calcium from leafy greens, vegetables, raw nuts and seeds, and beans.

Ooh, ooh! Can we play spot the vegetarian?

How many working- and benefit- class kids do you think eat any of those?

it was a quote from another site not my own. School meals should be healthy that way all your poor darlings will get their vitamins without doubling up on cost by giving out uneeded milk too.

sorry but parents should be responsible for their kids its not my job or tax money that should be paying for their lack of care.

So your tax money shouldn't provide nutritional food to children at school?

[petemurphy]

Fittster said:

petemurphy said:

grumbledoak said:

petemurphy said:

The truth is, we can get adequate calcium from leafy greens, vegetables, raw nuts and seeds, and beans.

Ooh, ooh! Can we play spot the vegetarian?

How many working- and benefit- class kids do you think eat any of those?

it was a quote from another site not my own. School meals should be healthy that way all your poor darlings will get their vitamins without doubling up on cost by giving out uneeded milk too.

sorry but parents should be responsible for their kids its not my job or tax money that should be paying for their lack of care.

So your tax money shouldn't provide nutritional food to children at school?

yes it should pay for school meals for those that need it which should provide all the vitamins they need without the need for free milk too.

[tinman0]

Sticks. said:

petemurphy said:

no they should step in and punish the parents thats what social services are for.

Can you suggest a punishment that'll work?

How about children being taken into care?

Oh no, we don't do that anymore. Because although we have lazy spongers who have nothing better to do, they still can't be arsed to bring their feral children up properly in the first place, because that would be deemed "judging them".

[grumbledoak]

petemurphy said:

sorry but parents should be responsible for their kids its not my job or tax money that should be paying for their lack of care.

"Should be", I agree. But it is damned hard to make that happen.

And, while I am far from a Statist or Socialist, giving young kids a little bottle of milk and half a banana, and later a decent lunch, could easily be the cheapest and best benefit/harm intervention possible. Far easier than trying to correct the health and education problems when they are older.

[Sticks.]

tinman0 said:

Sticks. said:

petemurphy said:

no they should step in and punish the parents thats what social services are for.

Can you suggest a punishment that'll work?

How about children being taken into care?

Oh no, we don't do that anymore. Because although we have lazy spongers who have nothing better to do, they still can't be arsed to bring their feral children up properly in the first place, because that would be deemed "judging them".

Could be, or could be that despite care costing ££££s nationally, children do even worse as a result.

Not sure how to make the feckless parents be arsed tbh

[petemurphy]

funny how children in other countries manage to grow up without free milk..

instead of the healthy food vouchers going to the parents why not give it to the schools that way they can be certain the children get it.

[carmonk]

Black Sport 160 said:

Oh, and I drank mile in reception class at infant school. It was not fresh and teacher used to leave it to curdle nicely next to the radiator. It was rancid.

Hell, I remember that (me drinking it, that is, not you) - I'm amazed they still do it. Warm with a thick layer of yellowing cream on top, like bull's semen (I would presume), drunk through a straw. The last inch made me want to gag, absolutely vile. In the end I got my mother to write a note saying I didn't have to drink it. And even if it's cold and fresh it serves no purpose, and if Mommy and daddy are misguided enough to believe that it's somehow fundamental to their kiddy's development then hey, pay for your own kids' food you whinging, scrounging tts.

[BertB]

carmonk said:

Black Sport 160 said:

Oh, and I drank mile in reception class at infant school. It was not fresh and teacher used to leave it to curdle nicely next to the radiator. It was rancid.

Hell, I remember that (me drinking it, that is, not you) - I'm amazed they still do it. Warm with a thick layer of yellowing cream on top, like bull's semen (I would presume), drunk through a straw. The last inch made me want to gag, absolutely vile. In the end I got my mother to write a note saying I didn't have to drink it. And even if it's cold and fresh it serves no purpose, and if Mommy and daddy are misguided enough to believe that it's somehow fundamental to their kiddy's development then hey, pay for your own kids' food you whinging, scrounging tts.

You were pre homogenisation then, most milk today has been homogenised to ensure it does not separate. As for it being warm, I always remember it being cold so your school must not have had a big enough fridge!