Echoes of Thatcher the milk snatcher.
Discussion
carmonk said:
[. And even if it's cold and fresh it serves no purpose,
Why do you believe milk has no nutritional properties? Thankfully the milk I was given has allowed be to grow up big and strong so I can use google:
http://www.milk.co.uk/page.aspx?intPageID=395
"Milk is one of the most nutritionally complete foods available on the food market to date.
It is naturally a good provider of a whole range of nutrients essential to growth, development and maintenance of the human body and contains no artificial preservatives or colourings.
Relatively small quantities of milk can provide a significant proportion of daily nutrient requirements for all age groups making it nutrient rich relative to its energy content.
In addition to its contribution to nutrient intake, increased milk consumption has also been linked to reducing the risk of numerous health problems such as osteoporosis, cancer, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and obesity to name but a few.
Milk therefore makes a significant contribution to the human diet through provision of the macro-nutrients, vitamins and minerals."
petemurphy said:
Fittster said:
petemurphy said:
funny how children in other countries manage to grow up without free milk..
Where do you get your facts about which countries provide milk to child from?Are you just making this up as you go along?
Fittster said:
petemurphy said:
Fittster said:
petemurphy said:
funny how children in other countries manage to grow up without free milk..
Where do you get your facts about which countries provide milk to child from?Are you just making this up as you go along?
and anyone can use google: http://www.milkmyths.org.uk/index.php
btw I love milk and drink it every day but when you think about it rather than "oh we've always had milk" there is no reason for kids to have cows milk. certainly not paid for by me. you want children you pay for them.
petemurphy said:
btw I love milk and drink it every day but when you think about it rather than "oh we've always had milk" there is no reason for kids to have cows milk. certainly not paid for by me. you want children you pay for them.
The point is children should have nutritious food at school, which milk is. If you are going to leave every part of a child's development to parents or social services you are going to take a huge number of children into care. That is vastly more expensive in terms of taxes and leads to very poor outcomes which are likely to lead to additional increases in spending.I wish I hadn'd read that. It said 'drinking milk is cruel' and I've just downed a pint and now I feel bad.
See your point though, people should be responsible for the proper upringing of their offspring, but patently some are not. But if the govt thinks it's sufficiently important to try and avoid the detrimental effects of poor early years nutrition on both the individual and (the costs to) society as a whole, is spending its limited resources on milk the best way? Probably not imo.
Spending some on healthy school meals might help. So why have they kept it? Bit of a political sacred cow, obviously
FWIW though full fat milk is 4% fat, semi skimmed 2% and white water (my favourite) <1%.
See your point though, people should be responsible for the proper upringing of their offspring, but patently some are not. But if the govt thinks it's sufficiently important to try and avoid the detrimental effects of poor early years nutrition on both the individual and (the costs to) society as a whole, is spending its limited resources on milk the best way? Probably not imo.
Spending some on healthy school meals might help. So why have they kept it? Bit of a political sacred cow, obviously
FWIW though full fat milk is 4% fat, semi skimmed 2% and white water (my favourite) <1%.
You are supposed to give full fat milk to young children. The fat, only 4%, does them no harm at all. Indeed, once the liver has turned it into cholesterol, they use it to grow their brain.
It is rather different when you are older (and fatter). But the fully skimmed stuff is a waste of time, and horrid to boot.
It is rather different when you are older (and fatter). But the fully skimmed stuff is a waste of time, and horrid to boot.
grumbledoak said:
true but as valid as the other poster quoting the dairy council's website saying its healthy no s
t sherlock!Oakey said:
It might have been be a good thing, from what I remember of free milk when I started school in the 80s it was fking vile and put me off drinking milk on its own forever.
ETA:
That was in the winter. During summer, the clueless bint left it out in direct sunlight.king vile and put me off drinking milk on its own forever. ETA:
Black Sport 160 said:
Oh, and I drank mile in reception class at infant school. It was not fresh and teacher used to leave it to curdle nicely next to the radiator. It was rancid.
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Haha, I didn't even read this post before making the above post, glad it wasn't just me then!.
Edited by Oakey on Monday 9th August 10:25
Miss Totty, I will never forget
petemurphy said:
oh look people on benefits can already get free milk at home so why do they need it at school too????
http://www.healthystart.nhs.uk/
So I have two children, get zero benefits from the state and have, after paying my own way for 8 months, no dosh.http://www.healthystart.nhs.uk/
So just where does that leave people in my situation?
Good nutritional food COSTS a premium over the crap stuff in case you hadn't noticed.
Even going out to HUNT for food costs (6.8p per shotgun cartridge) but I have to say wild wood pigeon (
that'll get him going) that have been feeding on the swathe of organic crops in the 'Carse are absolutely delicious.Fittster said:
carmonk said:
[. And even if it's cold and fresh it serves no purpose,
Why do you believe milk has no nutritional properties? Fittster said:
Thankfully the milk I was given has allowed be to grow up big and strong so I can use google:
http://www.milk.co.uk/page.aspx?intPageID=395
Hmm, milk.co.uk, the connoisseur's choice for unbiased milk facts. At the end of the day if the kid already has a good diet there's no need for supplements and if not a glass of milk won't make the damnest bit of difference. And that's without pondering on why I should pay to feed other people's kids.http://www.milk.co.uk/page.aspx?intPageID=395
I think that, living in the UK and getting what we get ‘for free’ (tax payers money), makes us not realise just how good the UK with stuff like this. For example, we lived, worked and the kids went to school in Italy for over two years. 64% of my gross income was taxes and NI, yet we still had to spend over €500 on school books for the kids per year – and this ‘racket’ (the whole country and system seems to be corrupt, many times more so than even the UK) ensured that each year, the books were changed so you had no choice but to bin last years school books. Not only this, we had to buy paper and pens, even toilet paper! Were the lessons better? Nope, one history lesson consisted of the whole class (of 10 year olds) watching Gladiator, whilst the teachers were all outside having a fag.
This is just the tip of the iceberg – before we moved, we thought nothing could be worse than the UK, but now we realise just how lucky we are living here – I had nothing ‘free’ from the state that took two thirds of my income, least of all ‘free milk’
This is just the tip of the iceberg – before we moved, we thought nothing could be worse than the UK, but now we realise just how lucky we are living here – I had nothing ‘free’ from the state that took two thirds of my income, least of all ‘free milk’
I wasn't even born at the time but even I know "Mrs Thatcher Milk Snatcher", so you'd have thought someone in the Conservative Party would have had a little bit of a "Hold on a moment this might not look too good" moment before even suggesting it.
I'm not one who thinks government policy should be dictated by sound byte/media opinion but it just wasn't the brightest move in my book.
I'm not one who thinks government policy should be dictated by sound byte/media opinion but it just wasn't the brightest move in my book.
“There is no finer investment for any community than putting milk into babies.”
Said Sir Wins.
Okay he probably didn't mean it in this context but for £50 million/year I think it's worth it.
And the net cost for this scheme is probably far lower. Malnutrition costs the NHS £7.3bn a year according to the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and...
If the scheme helps to tackle even a tiny proportion of this then I think it's a good idea.
Said Sir Wins.
Okay he probably didn't mean it in this context but for £50 million/year I think it's worth it.
And the net cost for this scheme is probably far lower. Malnutrition costs the NHS £7.3bn a year according to the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and...
If the scheme helps to tackle even a tiny proportion of this then I think it's a good idea.
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