Echoes of Thatcher the milk snatcher.
Discussion
paddyhasneeds said:
I wasn't even born at the time but even I know "Mrs Thatcher Milk Snatcher", so you'd have thought someone in the Conservative Party would have had a little bit of a "Hold on a moment this might not look too good" moment before even suggesting it.
I'm not one who thinks government policy should be dictated by sound byte/media opinion but it just wasn't the brightest move in my book.
It looks like no-one wanted this headline, not that anyone thought about if this money is effective, or if on balance given the evidence available this money could have been spent elsewhere on healthcare and had a greater return in terms of the number of quality adjusted life years per £ spent.I'm not one who thinks government policy should be dictated by sound byte/media opinion but it just wasn't the brightest move in my book.
Fittster said:
motco said:
I'm afraid I agree with those who ask why we are providing any free foodstuffs universally. Why stop at milk, why not bread and vegetables, and maybe basic clothing. We could then move on to dormitories and then the parents would be free to waste their money on themselves only. It's a nonsense in a rich society and anyway, is milk really that good a thing for children beyond infancy, and cow's milk? The clue to what it is best for is in the name.
If a child is being malnourished do you think the state should stand aside?5unny said:
“There is no finer investment for any community than putting milk into babies.”
Said Sir Wins.
Okay he probably didn't mean it in this context but for £50 million/year I think it's worth it.
And the net cost for this scheme is probably far lower. Malnutrition costs the NHS £7.3bn a year according to the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and...
If the scheme helps to tackle even a tiny proportion of this then I think it's a good idea.
wouldnt 50mil a year be better spent doing what jamie oliver says and improve school meals and education?Said Sir Wins.
Okay he probably didn't mean it in this context but for £50 million/year I think it's worth it.
And the net cost for this scheme is probably far lower. Malnutrition costs the NHS £7.3bn a year according to the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and...
If the scheme helps to tackle even a tiny proportion of this then I think it's a good idea.
BertB said:
As for it being warm, I always remember it being cold so your school must not have had a big enough fridge!
Fridge? You must be joking!It was left outdoors all year round. In summer it was the muck described above, in winter it froze solid. Put me off drinking milk for life.
Flintstone said:
BertB said:
As for it being warm, I always remember it being cold so your school must not have had a big enough fridge!
Fridge? You must be joking!It was left outdoors all year round. In summer it was the muck described above, in winter it froze solid. Put me off drinking milk for life.
Also remember the slop bins at the back of the school canteen. Custard mixed with sausages
and all sorts for the pigs. I dont think they can do this now, can they?
5unny said:
“There is no finer investment for any community than putting milk into babies.”
Said Sir Wins.
Okay he probably didn't mean it in this context but for £50 million/year I think it's worth it.
And the net cost for this scheme is probably far lower. Malnutrition costs the NHS £7.3bn a year according to the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and...
If the scheme helps to tackle even a tiny proportion of this then I think it's a good idea.
Fair points. Said Sir Wins.
Okay he probably didn't mean it in this context but for £50 million/year I think it's worth it.
And the net cost for this scheme is probably far lower. Malnutrition costs the NHS £7.3bn a year according to the British Association for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and...
If the scheme helps to tackle even a tiny proportion of this then I think it's a good idea.
Worrying that there is malnutrition in such a rich country as ours in this day and age.<guardian mode off>
When I was being brought up in the 60's and 70's liver was a BIG DEAL, along with mince, twice a week if we were lucky.
We survived on spuds/veg basically. And porridge.
petemurphy said:
rubbish you can have a perfectly healthy diet for the same price of whatever you are paying now.
Wait for it! Wait for it! Here comes the 'pitch'. 
ETA- Oh, and EdJ. Just guesswork really, 4% wasn't much, half that for 'semi' (1g saturated fat per 100ml, I just checked). I cannot believe that halving it again will have any health benefit; it's not as if kids drink massive quantities of milk.
Edited by grumbledoak on Monday 9th August 19:36
grumbledoak said:
petemurphy said:
rubbish you can have a perfectly healthy diet for the same price of whatever you are paying now.
Wait for it! Wait for it! Here comes the 'pitch'. ETA- Oh, and EdJ. Just guesswork really, 4% wasn't much, half that for 'semi' (1g saturated fat per 100ml, I just checked). I cannot believe that halving it again will have any health benefit; it's not as if kids drink massive quantities of milk.
Edited by grumbledoak on Monday 9th August 19:36
BertB said:
carmonk said:
Black Sport 160 said:
Oh, and I drank mile in reception class at infant school. It was not fresh and teacher used to leave it to curdle nicely next to the radiator. It was rancid.
Hell, I remember that (me drinking it, that is, not you) - I'm amazed they still do it. Warm with a thick layer of yellowing cream on top, like bull's semen (I would presume), drunk through a straw. The last inch made me want to gag, absolutely vile. In the end I got my mother to write a note saying I didn't have to drink it. And even if it's cold and fresh it serves no purpose, and if Mommy and daddy are misguided enough to believe that it's somehow fundamental to their kiddy's development then hey, pay for your own kids' food you whinging, scrounging t
ts.t. They didn't bother with fridges but parked the containers outside the classroom. In winter it froze and was quite good, in summer it was child cruelty. We used to dread playtime because we knew thye'd make us drink it before playing.
I vividly remember coming back late from a summer trip to the peak district on an absolutely boiling day. They'd kept it in the boot of the coach and wouldn't let us go (even after school closure time) until we'd gagged our way through the bottle. b
ds. Ah, the good old days . . .I had milk at primary school in the '80s. (A lot of schools still provided it even after the "milk snatcher" had supposedly taken it all away.)
As said variously above, put me off milk for life. I have coffee black, hardly any milk on my cereal, and never drink it straight. Ours was kept outside so it either tasted funny in summer or was a bottle of milk ice cubes in winter. I can remember the teachers taking the cap off a bottle and withdrawing sharply while quoting Herman's Hermits on some days.
School dinners were also terrible for you back then, chips with everything, things like gooey butterscotch tart, double helpings of everything if you were in the second sitting and then if that wasn't unhealthy enough our school had a "fast food" menu offering burgers, hot dogs and so on with yet more chips. Combine that with a rather unfortunate love of junk food on my part and as a consequence I probably weighed more at thirteen than I do now.
Did me no lasting harm - it probably helped that back then schoolkids made it very clear that Being Fat Is Wrong so I always wanted to do something about my weight - and I still find it amusing that everybody who met me from University onward thinks of me as ridiculously thin. If I ever have kids, I certainly won't be trusting the state with their nutrition for a moment, though!
As said variously above, put me off milk for life. I have coffee black, hardly any milk on my cereal, and never drink it straight. Ours was kept outside so it either tasted funny in summer or was a bottle of milk ice cubes in winter. I can remember the teachers taking the cap off a bottle and withdrawing sharply while quoting Herman's Hermits on some days.
School dinners were also terrible for you back then, chips with everything, things like gooey butterscotch tart, double helpings of everything if you were in the second sitting and then if that wasn't unhealthy enough our school had a "fast food" menu offering burgers, hot dogs and so on with yet more chips. Combine that with a rather unfortunate love of junk food on my part and as a consequence I probably weighed more at thirteen than I do now.
Did me no lasting harm - it probably helped that back then schoolkids made it very clear that Being Fat Is Wrong so I always wanted to do something about my weight - and I still find it amusing that everybody who met me from University onward thinks of me as ridiculously thin. If I ever have kids, I certainly won't be trusting the state with their nutrition for a moment, though!
Edited by Timberwolf on Monday 9th August 22:51
Wasn't drinking the school milk another version of "I NEARLY DIED" 
I often drank three or four (some of my 'mates bloody hated the stuff) if they were around loose like!
I didn't get fat (then) I did get my belly filled wih some nourishment though. Except for the days the milk had gone off. This was the fifties, schools didnt have refrigeration, blimey we were lucky to have the loudspeaker system in the "hall"
School dinners (how many vile things can you make with bloody cheese are there?) were my main daily meal
Home after school we kids would get jam sandwiches for tea, and dad got stinking, steaming tripe...Or stew or liver and onions.
He worked for a living we only went to school
Anyway.
I rather expect we'll keep school milk
Suppose the fecking RAF will have to pay for it
I would rather live in a country that cared enough for its people that it wanted to defend them
OK OK Ignore me
The C17 flew in tonight with more recipients of care for Selly Oak/Brum's brand new hospital, flight path comes in above my house.
Are they going to need to hitch a ride from Richard Branson soon
I often drank three or four (some of my 'mates bloody hated the stuff) if they were around loose like!
I didn't get fat (then) I did get my belly filled wih some nourishment though. Except for the days the milk had gone off. This was the fifties, schools didnt have refrigeration, blimey we were lucky to have the loudspeaker system in the "hall"
School dinners (how many vile things can you make with bloody cheese are there?) were my main daily meal
Home after school we kids would get jam sandwiches for tea, and dad got stinking, steaming tripe...Or stew or liver and onions.
He worked for a living we only went to school
Anyway.
I rather expect we'll keep school milk
Suppose the fecking RAF will have to pay for it
I would rather live in a country that cared enough for its people that it wanted to defend them
OK OK Ignore me
The C17 flew in tonight with more recipients of care for Selly Oak/Brum's brand new hospital, flight path comes in above my house.
Are they going to need to hitch a ride from Richard Branson soon
Edited by perdu on Monday 9th August 23:44
Edited by perdu on Monday 9th August 23:52
Flintstone said:
BertB said:
As for it being warm, I always remember it being cold so your school must not have had a big enough fridge!
Fridge? You must be joking!It was left outdoors all year round. In summer it was the muck described above, in winter it froze solid. Put me off drinking milk for life.
Our bottles were left out in the sun from 7am until 11am when we were given them. In summer months they were significantly above body temperature when served and often required a fair bit of chewing to get it down. . . . .
Fittster said:
carmonk said:
Why I should pay to feed other people's kids.
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