Sion Jenkins

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Jackleman

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974 posts

167 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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In the news today it has emerged that he is not getting any compensation for his 6 years in prison which appears to be a case of false imprisonment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10922487

Quoting the article on the beeb website "The Ministry of Justice said it would not comment on individual cases but that damages for wrongful imprisonment were paid only when a person was shown to be "clearly innocent."

I thought that you were innocent until proven guilty in this country? If he is guilty then he should be inside, if he is innocent then give him the money!

Discuss....

clonmult

10,529 posts

210 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Jackleman said:
I thought that you were innocent until proven guilty in this country? If he is guilty then he should be inside, if he is innocent then give him the money!
I heard about that on the way in this morning, and thats exactly what I thought.

As in the re-trials he hasn''t been found guilty, surely that effectively means he's innocent? Its an absolute joke, and makes a mockery of our legal system.

CraigW

12,248 posts

283 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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it smacks to me that they feel they "know" something that was either inadmissable as evidence or cant prove categorically.

Davi

17,153 posts

221 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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could they be using the fact it's a hung jury somehow? Plus the police say it's an unresolved case?

Either way it's still not right, and just further erodes the innocent until proven guilty, just looking for their angle.

Jasandjules

69,972 posts

230 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Well, if he is guilty then surely he should still be in jail, but if innocent then released. But if released, then it follows that he was not guilty (which is "innocent" in it's terms) and therefore ought to be due recompense.

The only thing I can think of is that they are going to try again with some other evidence!?!?

DJC

23,563 posts

237 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Eh?

Its blatently obvious that the powers that be consider the bloke guilty as hell. In his various trials the jury has always returned hung, never a clear resounding Not Guilty. I the Scottish 3rd verdict is the accurate outcome here, not so much as Not Guilty, but Not Prooven.

No, Im afraid someone thinks chap is guilty as sin, but he cant be nailed down. Either way nothing about Mr Jenkins convinces me is innocent in all this.

off_again

12,357 posts

235 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Mmm, history of domestic violence. Frequent attacks on ex-wife, children and known to have a temper and could fly off the handle at anyone. Lied to get his job as a deputy head and had a catalogue of lies behind him, to cover his tracked. Add to that the death of a foster child under his care and no evidence of someone entering the garden where he claimed a 'stranger' got in an beat the child to death. Mmmm, all a little suspicious if you ask me. No evidence found to support or coroborate his story, yet gets off on a technicality on the original charge. Subsequent trials fail to come to a definate conclusion....

Mmmm, yeah, somewhat leads to the descision that he probably did commit the murder, but cannot be pinned on him. So it seems fair that he doesnt get any compensation - sorry.

CzechItOut

2,154 posts

192 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Alleged domestic violence.

The thing that worries me most is that despite obviously doing it, the police are unable to produce enough conclusive evidence to prove it.

Dan_1981

17,414 posts

200 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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off_again said:
Mmm, history of domestic violence. Frequent attacks on ex-wife, children and known to have a temper and could fly off the handle at anyone. Lied to get his job as a deputy head and had a catalogue of lies behind him, to cover his tracked. Add to that the death of a foster child under his care and no evidence of someone entering the garden where he claimed a 'stranger' got in an beat the child to death. Mmmm, all a little suspicious if you ask me. No evidence found to support or coroborate his story, yet gets off on a technicality on the original charge. Subsequent trials fail to come to a definate conclusion....

Mmmm, yeah, somewhat leads to the descision that he probably did commit the murder, but cannot be pinned on him. So it seems fair that he doesnt get any compensation - sorry.
Agree with you on many of the points - but at the end of the day none of this matters.... either he's guilty - and its provable - so he goes to jail and stays there. Or he's not sent to jail as it cannot be proved that he did it.

If thats the case then he gets the money.


Corsair7

20,911 posts

248 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Dan_1981 said:
off_again said:
Mmm, history of domestic violence. Frequent attacks on ex-wife, children and known to have a temper and could fly off the handle at anyone. Lied to get his job as a deputy head and had a catalogue of lies behind him, to cover his tracked. Add to that the death of a foster child under his care and no evidence of someone entering the garden where he claimed a 'stranger' got in an beat the child to death. Mmmm, all a little suspicious if you ask me. No evidence found to support or coroborate his story, yet gets off on a technicality on the original charge. Subsequent trials fail to come to a definate conclusion....

Mmmm, yeah, somewhat leads to the descision that he probably did commit the murder, but cannot be pinned on him. So it seems fair that he doesnt get any compensation - sorry.
Agree with you on many of the points - but at the end of the day none of this matters.... either he's guilty - and its provable - so he goes to jail and stays there. Or he's not sent to jail as it cannot be proved that he did it.

If thats the case then he gets the money.
Said on the news that compensation was only paid when there was an obvious miscarriage of justice . For example, the Colin Stagg case. yes, he looked like the description of the real killer, but everything else was fabricated and manufactured. The real killer had even confessed to the crime before Stagg was 'choosen as the guilty culprit' by the police.

To me that means someone being 'fitted up' by the police, or someone found to have been giving false evidence. Its not given for the jury making a genuine mistake in find guilty on original trial and then finding someone not guilty on appeal.

Personally I'm rather glad, as I dont for a minute beleive this guys story.

Poor lass.


vandercliewjs

48 posts

184 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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My old deputy head master... He always was a bit odd...

Jackleman

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974 posts

167 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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I am not sure whether the man is guilty or not, it certainly is not my place or the police or anyone other than the courts to decide that.

So in my view either he is guilt or not guilt, to have something in between black and white is totally wrong when you are talking about either someone having 6 years of their life taken away for no reason, or a girls life be taken all together. I have seen how sometime the police get it wrong in this country and also how the press also behave so this is why I am not formulating any judgement on the man.

I think the situation is wrong.