EU Taxation - Here It Comes
Discussion
Ok, so you didn't vote UKIP and CMD says he can't do anything about that well known "tidying up excercise" known as the Lisbon Treaty.
Shame really because it's now going to cost us.
Today Janusz Lewandowski, the commissioner in charge of the EU's budget, announced he intends to press for a new EU tax.
Brussels is getting ready to activate Article 311 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, which says.......
'The Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies.'
It doesn't matter whether it's a tax on banks, air travel, fuel duty, road pricing or a w
king tax.
The Govt. has already dismissed the plans but under EU law, The EU now has a right to raise money directly and there's nothing that you, me or Dave can do about it.
Or is there? Discuss.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/aug/09/tre...
Shame really because it's now going to cost us.
Today Janusz Lewandowski, the commissioner in charge of the EU's budget, announced he intends to press for a new EU tax.
Brussels is getting ready to activate Article 311 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, which says.......
'The Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies.'
It doesn't matter whether it's a tax on banks, air travel, fuel duty, road pricing or a w
king tax.The Govt. has already dismissed the plans but under EU law, The EU now has a right to raise money directly and there's nothing that you, me or Dave can do about it.
Or is there? Discuss.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/aug/09/tre...
Of course there is something that we can do about it. That no parliament can be bound by a previous one is one of the fundamental tenets of our government. If this country wanted to withdraw from the EU, it could do so. There would be major implications for doing so, but there is nothing preventing us.
The EU would rant and throw its toys out of the pram, but ultimately short of an invasion or economic sanctions they would have no way to stop us.
The EU would rant and throw its toys out of the pram, but ultimately short of an invasion or economic sanctions they would have no way to stop us.
tank slapper said:
Of course there is something that we can do about it. That no parliament can be bound by a previous one is one of the fundamental tenets of our government. If this country wanted to withdraw from the EU, it could do so. There would be major implications for doing so, but there is nothing preventing us.
The EU would rant and throw its toys out of the pram, but ultimately short of an invasion or economic sanctions they would have no way to stop us.
It is those very "major implications" that are preventing us. If say one of the smaller member states were to withdraw, then the EU would be in a very difficult position as it would face falling appart entirely as others followed suit. To stop this the EU would probably give that country or is leaders substantial bribes not to rock the boat. If this failed it would use sanctions and/or force to get its way in a vengful ends justify the means kind of way and accuse that government of betraying its people.The EU would rant and throw its toys out of the pram, but ultimately short of an invasion or economic sanctions they would have no way to stop us.
Allowing them to raise direct taxes that they alone decide how to spend will very much give them the "means" of exercising such "force" (economic or military).
Britain is a special case. I think that they would try to kid-on that they dont need us (arguing that we have always been sceptics on the fringe of EU politics geographically, economically and politically) as we could respond to all commers militarily. Instead they would take revenge by making it virtually impossible for britons to do business or holiday in the eussr/eurabia
Edited by hahithestevieboy on Tuesday 10th August 16:48
Here we fking go again .... 
Read the article. It is a proposal (understand the concept? A proposal ) by Janusz Lewandowski, and no more than that.
The EU does not currently have tax raising powers. In order to do so, it would need to get the agreement of all member states before it could be implemented. With the UK and Germany already making their opposition clear, its another one of those scare stories so beloved of ranting right wing newspapers and PH contributors.
Just have a look at some of the other quotes:
If there any is logic in there I'm writing this on the moon.
As you were lads. Nothing to see here
king go again .... Read the article. It is a proposal (understand the concept? A proposal ) by Janusz Lewandowski, and no more than that.
The EU does not currently have tax raising powers. In order to do so, it would need to get the agreement of all member states before it could be implemented. With the UK and Germany already making their opposition clear, its another one of those scare stories so beloved of ranting right wing newspapers and PH contributors.
Just have a look at some of the other quotes:
Janusz Lewandowski said:
"I'm hearing from a number of capitals, including important ones like Berlin, that they would like to lower their contributions" [to the EU].
Right. EU countries want to pay less to the EU. Who would have thought it?Janusz Lewandowski said:
"Many countries want to be unburdened.
And they are also telling him they won't do it, but that doesn't make a good scare story, does it? Janusz Lewandowski said:
In this way, the door has been opened to think about revenues that are not claimed by finance ministers."
So, let me just get this straight. These Finance Ministers, who don't want the EU to be able to raise direct taxes, are going to agree to it because that way they can't get their hands on the money in question and, by implication, would then not be able to raise aas much tax internally because the EU was having some.If there any is logic in there I'm writing this on the moon.
As you were lads. Nothing to see here
rs1952 said:
Here we fking go again ....
Read the article. It is a proposal (understand the concept? A proposal ) by Janusz Lewandowski, and no more than that.
The EU does not currently have tax raising powers. In order to do so, it would need to get the agreement of all member states before it could be implemented. With the UK and Germany already making their opposition clear, its another one of those scare stories so beloved of ranting right wing newspapers and PH contributors.
Just have a look at some of the other quotes:
If there any is logic in there I'm writing this on the moon.
As you were lads. Nothing to see here
It is a worrying proposal though as it could be used as a political football so that member states can "blame" the EU for the tax rises. This will be attractive to many both in the EU (as they dont have to worry about elections) and certain parties in member states. I personally think that the concept is highly dangerous.king go again .... Read the article. It is a proposal (understand the concept? A proposal ) by Janusz Lewandowski, and no more than that.
The EU does not currently have tax raising powers. In order to do so, it would need to get the agreement of all member states before it could be implemented. With the UK and Germany already making their opposition clear, its another one of those scare stories so beloved of ranting right wing newspapers and PH contributors.
Just have a look at some of the other quotes:
Janusz Lewandowski said:
"I'm hearing from a number of capitals, including important ones like Berlin, that they would like to lower their contributions" [to the EU].
Right. EU countries want to pay less to the EU. Who would have thought it?Janusz Lewandowski said:
"Many countries want to be unburdened.
And they are also telling him they won't do it, but that doesn't make a good scare story, does it? Janusz Lewandowski said:
In this way, the door has been opened to think about revenues that are not claimed by finance ministers."
So, let me just get this straight. These Finance Ministers, who don't want the EU to be able to raise direct taxes, are going to agree to it because that way they can't get their hands on the money in question and, by implication, would then not be able to raise aas much tax internally because the EU was having some.If there any is logic in there I'm writing this on the moon.
As you were lads. Nothing to see here
hahithestevieboy said:
rs1952 said:
Radio 2 are running the story in their "money spot" at 5:30
Perhaps we'll find out a bit more then
Do doubt they will trumpet it as the best thing since the 1997 election of Tony Blair.Perhaps we'll find out a bit more then
Not before the Mail and the Express and the Telegraph and the BNP and UKIP have had a field day with it, of course
rs1952 said:
Janusz Lewandowski said:
"I'm hearing from a number of capitals, including important ones like Berlin, that they would like to lower their contributions" [to the EU].
Right. EU countries want to pay less to the EU. Who would have thought it?SystemParanoia said:
RED Button... target Brussels
War in Europe would be so much cheaper than pandering to the EU.. in lives and financially!
Nope. Just airdrop 2 million scroungers into mainland EU without their passports and refuse to hand them back their passports until the EU says sorry. War in Europe would be so much cheaper than pandering to the EU.. in lives and financially!
It may be correct to say that the EU currently has no tax raising powers...
BUT they do have power to FINE!
Hence why my constituency (of a certain David Cameron) is going ahead and introducing slop buckets for under my sink and new extra bloody recycling bins to litter our driveways ie: going exactly down the Noo Labur route of fortnightly wheelie bin collections...
BUT they do have power to FINE!
Hence why my constituency (of a certain David Cameron) is going ahead and introducing slop buckets for under my sink and new extra bloody recycling bins to litter our driveways ie: going exactly down the Noo Labur route of fortnightly wheelie bin collections...
madala said:
12gauge said:
Eh? We've been paying billions to the EU every year since we joined - Does that not come out of the taxes i pay somehow?
....you bet...and then some.....http://www.brugesgroup.com/CostOfTheEU2008.pdf
(ps since that was written our net contribution has doubled)
Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 11th August 14:09
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