EU Taxation - Here It Comes

[JMGS4]

This just ain't gonna happen! Germany has already categorically refused to accept EU taxes, it's not in the EU agreements and there are no powers for them to raise this tax! And the german constitution does not allow anyone else apart from the german government to raise taxes...so more panic by the daily mirror and others....

[rs1952]

JMGS4 said:

This just ain't gonna happen! Germany has already categorically refused to accept EU taxes, it's not in the EU agreements and there are no powers for them to raise this tax! And the german constitution does not allow anyone else apart from the german government to raise taxes...so more panic by the daily mirror and others....

Fancy writing a bit of common sense on an anti-EU thread

You should be ashamed of yourself

[anonymous-user]

rs1952 said:

JMGS4 said:

This just ain't gonna happen! Germany has already categorically refused to accept EU taxes, it's not in the EU agreements and there are no powers for them to raise this tax! And the german constitution does not allow anyone else apart from the german government to raise taxes...so more panic by the daily mirror and others....

Fancy writing a bit of common sense on an anti-EU thread

You should be ashamed of yourself

sorry chaps its an economic neccesity and inevitable. the recently papered over debt crisis will accelerate its introduction. there is no other mechanism for controlling maastrict budget and debt rules almost universally ignored. how long will germany 'categorically refuse' to pay less and make the rest of europe pull their weight?

"Even if public opinion is for the moment against a single tax and fiscal policy for all of Europe, Europeans will have to go along at some point... ...In the coming years, that coordination will be institutionalized as it was envisioned at the outset — a European Ministry of Finance to go along with a European Central Bank." Jacques Attali, founding president of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/opinion/27iht-ed...

Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 11th August 18:30

[rs1952]

fbrs said:

rs1952 said:

JMGS4 said:

This just ain't gonna happen! Germany has already categorically refused to accept EU taxes, it's not in the EU agreements and there are no powers for them to raise this tax! And the german constitution does not allow anyone else apart from the german government to raise taxes...so more panic by the daily mirror and others....

Fancy writing a bit of common sense on an anti-EU thread

You should be ashamed of yourself

sorry chaps its an economic neccesity and inevitable. the recently papered over debt crisis will accelerate its introduction. there is no other mechanism for controlling maastrict budget and debt rules almost universally ignored. how long will germany 'categorically refuse' to pay less and make the rest of europe pull their weight?

"Even if public opinion is for the moment against a single tax and fiscal policy for all of Europe, Europeans will have to go along at some point... ...In the coming years, that coordination will be institutionalized as it was envisioned at the outset — a European Ministry of Finance to go along with a European Central Bank." Jacques Attali, founding president of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/opinion/27iht-ed...

Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 11th August 18:30

There are a number of things to bear in mind:

1 The USA has had a Federal system for some time and they are used to it. The Europeans, outside of their national borders (eg Germany) are not. Your article comes from the New York Times - that is what you'd expect them so say. I don't hear the likes of Eddie George or David Cameron saying it, who's views carry a little more weight that do those that appear in the NYT.

2. Trying to get all EU countries to agree on a policy that will allow the EU to directly raise taxation will be like trying to herd cats.

3. What many Europhobes tend to forget is that it is not "plucky little England standing up for itself against the monster that is the EU." It is 27 member states ALL in it for what they can get. In exactly the same way as big businesses, small businesses and private individuals behave - we are all in it for what we can get.

4. That is why there will probably never be a "United States of Europe" in my lifetime. Unfortunately

Watch and enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIXH3-A8zMI&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Xvy1r4Pm8

[anonymous-user]

rs1952 said:

Your article comes from the New York Times - that is what you'd expect them so say.

its written by Jacques Attali, economic aid to Mitterrand (father of maastrict) and founder and president of the ebrd.

rs1952 said:

3. What many Europhobes

i guess europhobe is better than the usual lame chorus of xenophobe. technically i'm only opposed to the corrupt cabal that is the eu. i think we should be in efta, like the swiss. if we must give money to the eu then i'm not even opposed to a federal european tax; i dont see any difference between hmrc taxing us and giving it away or just being taxed directly. yours and my views are immaterial; the survival of the euro will force the issue once pigs debt issues raise their head again and germany has to bail out another one.

Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 11th August 21:40

[dcb]

fbrs said:

i think we should be in efta, like the swiss. i'm not even opposed to the euro or a federal european tax, i dont see any difference between hmrc taxing us and giving it to the eu or just being taxed directly.

+1 for the EFTA.

Folks with long memories will know that the Common Market
was sold in the 1970s to the Brits as a way of getting cheap
goods & services.

Since then, it's grown into a Socialist's wet dream, with all
the rich northern nations paying for the less rich southern
nations.

CH seems to manage absolutely excellent outside the EU and
they have their own money too.

Except for Brussels getting a bit upset, I can't see any downside.
Possible trade sanctions are fantasy.

[anonymous-user]

dcb said:

CH seems to manage absolutely excellent outside the EU and
they have their own money too.

exactly. i have never found any benefit to EU membership (that has cost us 80bn in direct net costs) that the swiss dont have with bilateral eu agreements. pro-eu types are unsuprisingly quiet on this point.

Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 11th August 21:51

[perdu]

dcb said:

fbrs said:

i think we should be in efta, like the swiss. i'm not even opposed to the euro or a federal european tax, i dont see any difference between hmrc taxing us and giving it to the eu or just being taxed directly.

[b]+1 for the EFTA.

Folks with long memories will know that the Common Market
was sold in the 1970s to the Brits as a way of getting cheap
goods & services.[/b]

Since then, it's grown into a Socialist's wet dream, with all
the rich northern nations paying for the less rich southern
nations.

CH seems to manage absolutely excellent outside the EU and
they have their own money too.

Except for Brussels getting a bit upset, I can't see any downside.
Possible trade sanctions are fantasy.

I'm sitting quietly here in the corner 'cos I was one of those stupid twunts that voted for entry to the COMMON MARKET

I still (sort of...) believe in the original concept, better trading with friendly countries, though I detested what they then did with our Commonwealth partners

So having said I still believe in the Common Market, it ain't wot we got and I would walk the country out in a heartbeat

I am useless with numbers, but I'm sure we could lose most of our "deficit" if we weren't paying for the European Politburo and its grandiose fecklessness

And no I did not vote UKIP

but if I'd had such a choice I might very well have



Then again if I had the country may have been even more fecked up by split votes, look at the crap the Demlibs are causing

Edited by perdu on Wednesday 11th August 22:59

[rs1952]

fbrs said:

dcb said:

CH seems to manage absolutely excellent outside the EU and
they have their own money too.

exactly. i have never found any benefit to EU membership (that has cost us 80bn in direct net costs) that the swiss dont have with bilateral eu agreements. pro-eu types are unsuprisingly quiet on this point.

I can't really put it any better than it has been put here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFyywfHbj3M



(And sorry for posting so many YouTube clips on this thread )

[dandarez]

rs1952 said:

madala said:

....I hate the EU with a vengeance....and that is an undestatement......fk Brussels....and fk Europe....bunch of free-loading twunts.

Nothing like a lucid addition to the debate

You are Michael Farrage and I claim my 5 euros

Michael Farrage... ugh?

Surely it's Nigel Farage?
And perhaps there really is a God, that's why he saved Nige in that air crash - boy, are we gonna need him at some point!!!

[Ozzie Osmond]

fbrs said:

i have never found any benefit to EU membership (that has cost us 80bn in direct net costs) that the swiss dont have with bilateral eu agreements. pro-eu types are unsuprisingly quiet on this point.

If you like Switzerland, you'll LOVE Jersey. And it's sooo much closer to home!

[DonkeyApple]

Ozzie Osmond said:

fbrs said:

i have never found any benefit to EU membership (that has cost us 80bn in direct net costs) that the swiss dont have with bilateral eu agreements. pro-eu types are unsuprisingly quiet on this point.

If you like Switzerland, you'll LOVE Jersey. And it's sooo much closer to home!

Is that full of African dictators, kiddy fiddlers in exile and embezzled charitable funds as well?

[JMGS4]

Further to my previous, just showing how much "unity" there is in the EU on fiscal matters, Slovakia has refused to "donate" to Greece for their muck-up with the Euro. Have said they'll never contribute to a nation who never did anything for the EU!!!
So a general EU tax for everybody, very doubtful, although the usual wastrels in Brussels obviously want new homes, bigger expenses and more schemes to rob us blind....

[DonkeyApple]

dandarez said:

rs1952 said:

madala said:

....I hate the EU with a vengeance....and that is an undestatement......fk Brussels....and fk Europe....bunch of free-loading twunts.

Nothing like a lucid addition to the debate

You are Michael Farrage and I claim my 5 euros

Michael Farrage... ugh?

Surely it's Nigel Farage?
And perhaps there really is a God, that's why he saved Nige in that air crash - boy, are we gonna need him at some point!!!

If there is a God he at least a a brilliant sense of humour.

[rs1952]

DonkeyApple said:

dandarez said:

rs1952 said:

madala said:

....I hate the EU with a vengeance....and that is an undestatement......fk Brussels....and fk Europe....bunch of free-loading twunts.

Nothing like a lucid addition to the debate

You are Michael Farrage and I claim my 5 euros

Michael Farrage... ugh?

Surely it's Nigel Farage?
And perhaps there really is a God, that's why he saved Nige in that air crash - boy, are we gonna need him at some point!!!

If there is a God he at least a a brilliant sense of humour.

Michael Farrage .....

Put that down as a Senior Moment

It doesn't come alone ..... - what doesn't come alone ......

[M3333]

DonkeyApple said:

dandarez said:

rs1952 said:

madala said:

....I hate the EU with a vengeance....and that is an undestatement......fk Brussels....and fk Europe....bunch of free-loading twunts.

Nothing like a lucid addition to the debate

You are Michael Farrage and I claim my 5 euros

Michael Farrage... ugh?

Surely it's Nigel Farage?
And perhaps there really is a God, that's why he saved Nige in that air crash - boy, are we gonna need him at some point!!!

If there is a God he at least a a brilliant sense of humour.

Why the hell was Eric Pickles at the crash scene for?

[DonkeyApple]

M3333 said:

DonkeyApple said:

dandarez said:

rs1952 said:

madala said:

....I hate the EU with a vengeance....and that is an undestatement......fk Brussels....and fk Europe....bunch of free-loading twunts.

Nothing like a lucid addition to the debate

You are Michael Farrage and I claim my 5 euros

Michael Farrage... ugh?

Surely it's Nigel Farage?
And perhaps there really is a God, that's why he saved Nige in that air crash - boy, are we gonna need him at some point!!!

If there is a God he at least a a brilliant sense of humour.

Why the hell was Eric Pickles at the crash scene for?

Checking Farridges expenses claim for new underpants?

[WhoseGeneration]

perdu said:

I'm sitting quietly here in the corner 'cos I was one of those stupid twunts that voted for entry to the COMMON MARKET

Edited by perdu on Wednesday 11th August 22:59

As did I, such a long time ago now, with no further vote note but then, we tended to believe what the Politicians told us. Later experience has truly changed that view, for me at least.

[M3333]

DonkeyApple said:

M3333 said:

DonkeyApple said:

dandarez said:

rs1952 said:

madala said:

....I hate the EU with a vengeance....and that is an undestatement......fk Brussels....and fk Europe....bunch of free-loading twunts.

Nothing like a lucid addition to the debate

You are Michael Farrage and I claim my 5 euros

Michael Farrage... ugh?

Surely it's Nigel Farage?
And perhaps there really is a God, that's why he saved Nige in that air crash - boy, are we gonna need him at some point!!!

If there is a God he at least a a brilliant sense of humour.

Why the hell was Eric Pickles at the crash scene for?

Checking Farridges expenses claim for new underpants?

I thought he was trying to get at his wallet or spotted a Ginsters Pasty.

Edited by M3333 on Friday 13th August 00:26

[rs1952]

WhoseGeneration said:

perdu said:

I'm sitting quietly here in the corner 'cos I was one of those stupid twunts that voted for entry to the COMMON MARKET

Edited by perdu on Wednesday 11th August 22:59

As did I, such a long time ago now, with no further vote note but then, we tended to believe what the Politicians told us. Later experience has truly changed that view, for me at least.

I too voted to go in back in 1973

I would vote to stay in should any further referendum be held

I doubt that I am alone (although I accept I'm in the minority around here! )