Climate change is to blame, apparently.

Climate change is to blame, apparently.

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funkyrobot

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18,789 posts

229 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1091...

So it's 'partly' to blame. What they mean is they are maybe a little too scared to say it's fully to blame, but they want to scare people anyway.

Love the snippet of info from the Met Office (who cannot predict tomorrow's weather accurately, let alone further into the future) saying there are likely to be more higher temperatures in the future.

Jeff Knight, a climate variability scientist at the UK Met Office, attributed the situation in Moscow to a number of factors, among them greenhouse gas concentrations, which are steadily rising.

So what are the other factors?

Edited by funkyrobot on Wednesday 11th August 11:05

Soovy

35,829 posts

272 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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funkyrobot said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1091...

So it's 'partly' to blame. What they mean is they are maybe a little too scared to say it's fully to blame, but they want to scare people anyway.

Love the snippedt of info from the Met Office (who cannot predict tomorrow's weather accurately, let alone further into the future) saying there are likely to be more higher temperatures in th future.

Jeff Knight, a climate variability scientist at the UK Met Office, attributed the situation in Moscow to a number of factors, among them greenhouse gas concentrations, which are steadily rising.

So what are the other factors?
Drunk russians smoking in forests.


andy_s

19,413 posts

260 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Climate Change is sooo 2008, anyone who is anyone is now scared by financial instability after a short spell of retro kitsch domestic terrorism doncha knar...

kerplunk

7,075 posts

207 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Saying GHG's are fully to blame would be as unreasonable as saying GHG's aren't a factor at all, but I'm sure someone will soon! smile

Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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"The UK Met Office said there are likely to be more extreme high temperatures in the future."

Likely? I would put my life savings on there being some more extreme high temperatures recorded somewhere at sometime in the future. Thank god for the MET office!

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

195 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Climate Change may well be to blame.......


But 'MAN' has SFA to do with it.

Phil1

621 posts

283 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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They were pushing the line quite a bit recently.

Curries must now be eaten with Naan only as rice runs out

funkyrobot

Original Poster:

18,789 posts

229 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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The BBC seem to enjoy publishing these articles with no counter comments at all.

Tsippy

15,077 posts

170 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Climate change was mentioned several times on the BBC today, apparently it will cause increases in heart attacks too as even a 1*C change can trigger them rolleyes

I just hope that travel companies will be issuing health warnings not to leave the UK as it's 10*C hotter in Spain banghead

turbobloke

104,102 posts

261 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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kerplunk said:
Saying GHG's are fully to blame would be as unreasonable as saying GHG's aren't a factor at all, but I'm sure someone will soon! smile
There is no observational evidence in global climate data that human emissions of GHGs are a factor at all - let's get it right - which is a different matter to saying there is an invisibly small and insiginificant theoretical effect indistinguishable from zero which is vastly overwhelmed by natural forcing. Which is the fact of the matter, not scary, not worthy of drastic tax and control idiocy, so it can't be expressed that way or the game is up.

Flooding has been far worse in the past with lower GHG levels, hottest this and coldest that have been hotter and colder in the past with lower GHG levels, so any statement attributing such matters to GHG effects is fanciful imagination flying in the face of an absolute lack of causality.

Quite the opposite in fact for the UK (and elsewhere) as the higher levels of a particular weak GHG today appear to be 'producing' less flooding as per 1952 and less drought / weaker heatwaves as here as per 1976 when this GHG was at significantly lower levels. I'm sure many PHers can remember the last two weeks of June and the first week of July when temperatures remained over 30 deg C in parts of the country.

So the 'conclusion' has to be that higher tax gas levels produce lower temperatures and less flooding. Or that climate frenzy PR guff is junk as per the 'science' it seeks to promote.

remedy

1,661 posts

192 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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andy_s said:
Climate Change is sooo 2008, anyone who is anyone is now scared by financial instability after a short spell of retro kitsch domestic terrorism doncha knar...
Tell that the to CRC (carbon reduction commitment) clan.

Today, I have to register my company in this farce to show willingness to reduce our carbon footprint.

If, by the 30th Sep, I haven't then we get fined £5000.

If, today, I do I pay the CRC clan £900 for the pleasure followed by yearly 'subsistence' charges of £1290.

Repeat across the rest of the country - private and public business alike.

Jasandjules

69,969 posts

230 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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funkyrobot said:
The BBC seem to enjoy publishing these articles with no counter comments at all.
Well, do they not have their pensions invested in these bu***t, sorry, green, companies?

So when the house of cards comes tumbling down, so do their pension pots...

andy_s

19,413 posts

260 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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remedy said:
andy_s said:
Climate Change is sooo 2008, anyone who is anyone is now scared by financial instability after a short spell of retro kitsch domestic terrorism doncha knar...
Tell that the to CRC (carbon reduction commitment) clan.

Today, I have to register my company in this farce to show willingness to reduce our carbon footprint.

If, by the 30th Sep, I haven't then we get fined £5000.

If, today, I do I pay the CRC clan £900 for the pleasure followed by yearly 'subsistence' charges of £1290.

Repeat across the rest of the country - private and public business alike.
yikes Farkin 'ell.

jbi

12,682 posts

205 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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remedy said:
andy_s said:
Climate Change is sooo 2008, anyone who is anyone is now scared by financial instability after a short spell of retro kitsch domestic terrorism doncha knar...
Tell that the to CRC (carbon reduction commitment) clan.

Today, I have to register my company in this farce to show willingness to reduce our carbon footprint.

If, by the 30th Sep, I haven't then we get fined £5000.

If, today, I do I pay the CRC clan £900 for the pleasure followed by yearly 'subsistence' charges of £1290.

Repeat across the rest of the country - private and public business alike.
that is incredibly worrying frown

dandarez

13,297 posts

284 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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jbi said:
remedy said:
andy_s said:
Climate Change is sooo 2008, anyone who is anyone is now scared by financial instability after a short spell of retro kitsch domestic terrorism doncha knar...
Tell that the to CRC (carbon reduction commitment) clan.

Today, I have to register my company in this farce to show willingness to reduce our carbon footprint.

If, by the 30th Sep, I haven't then we get fined £5000.

If, today, I do I pay the CRC clan £900 for the pleasure followed by yearly 'subsistence' charges of £1290.

Repeat across the rest of the country - private and public business alike.
that is incredibly worrying frown
So much for the 'new' CCC (CameronCleggCoalition) Government.

Carbonbiggrin copy of the last green mad shower.

Nothing changes...
except more emptying of 'our' pockets.

Give 'em another 12 months tops.

Edited by dandarez on Wednesday 11th August 14:42

Get Karter

1,934 posts

202 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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dandarez said:
jbi said:
remedy said:
andy_s said:
Climate Change is sooo 2008, anyone who is anyone is now scared by financial instability after a short spell of retro kitsch domestic terrorism doncha knar...
Tell that the to CRC (carbon reduction commitment) clan.

Today, I have to register my company in this farce to show willingness to reduce our carbon footprint.

If, by the 30th Sep, I haven't then we get fined £5000.

If, today, I do I pay the CRC clan £900 for the pleasure followed by yearly 'subsistence' charges of £1290.

Repeat across the rest of the country - private and public business alike.
that is incredibly worrying frown
So much for the 'new' CCC (CameronCleggCoalition) Government.


Nothing changes...
except more emptying of 'our' pockets.

Give 'em another 12 months tops.
This was instigated long before the change in government.

Also, the monies collected from companies in the CRC Energy Efficiency Scheme (to give it its full title) are meant to be redistributed to all the companies taking part....with the top of the class getting the larger share of the spoils, so to speak.

So, you can't call 'tax' on this one, I'm afraid....cos it is a ridiculous, ill thought out scheme all the same...



Edited by Get Karter on Wednesday 11th August 14:47

Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Get Karter said:
Also, the monies collected from companies in the CRC Energy Efficiency Scheme (to give it its full title) are meant to be redistributed to all the companies taking part....with the top of the class getting the larger share of the spoils, so to speak.
So this is publicly funded organisation that takes your money and redistributes it to what it considers to be worthy recipients, but it is not taxation?

Not sure about that one !




Arnold The Bat

2,346 posts

202 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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I think Piers Corbyn has it about right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEmUS7PAWFw

Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Arnold The Bat said:
I think Piers Corbyn has it about right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEmUS7PAWFw
And he even looks like a scientist!

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

210 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Arnold The Bat said:
I think Piers Corbyn has it about right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEmUS7PAWFw
That man is brilliant!clap