burn a koran day
Discussion
Marf said:
rudecherub said:
Marf said:
To sum up, should the Pastor be free to burn the books? Yes
Should there be laws in place that allow the state to punish someone who intentionally causes incitement to hatred or violence? Yes.
I can agree wholeheartedly with this - even if we represent perhaps two distinct philosophies, yours I assume largely secular, mine admittedly Christian.Should there be laws in place that allow the state to punish someone who intentionally causes incitement to hatred or violence? Yes.
rudecherub said:
But I while the majority of muslims are not engaged in a war with the west, I would say the majority of muslims - certainly in the muslim world, don't differentiate between us ie the secular western society and Judeo-Christian values, and more importantly a significant minority react with hatred and violence to acts which the majority of other world religions - especially Christianity accepts/endures
Yep, I'd agree with that 
Ths is a noteworthy difference IMO.Jimbeaux said:
The real Apache said:
Jimbeaux said:
I'd hazard a guess sthat his 'publicity stunt' if thats what it was, isn't quite going to plan...
Jimbeaux said:
I just hope the Muslim community takes note of this example of how other religions police their own.
And pigs might fly. No, wait, that's not Halal. 
Edited by Marf on Thursday 9th September 12:56
clonmult said:
Jimbeaux said:
clonmult said:
HOGEPH said:
JMGS4 said:
Nutjob Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, who wants to burn the Koran, convicted of fraud and misappropriation of a title (Dr) in Germany. Fined €3000,- and the present members of his church in Cologne are searching for the money from the kitty which is missing thanks to Nutjob.
Is this guy serious? Nutjob, telly pastor and crook!!!
"Dougal, the money was just resting in my account."Is this guy serious? Nutjob, telly pastor and crook!!!
Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 9th September 07:58
Very, very good.
We were out in Florida last week, and were on our way back from Busch Gardens on friday evening. Were somewhat surprised at the number of churches that seemed to be dotted all over the place. And on one street corner, a bunch of religious protesters, mumbling something about jews and zionists. Didn't care about them, but the vacant looks and badly written signs put them straight down as idiotic nutjobs.
Does America have more idiotic nutjobs than almost anywhere else in the world???
Marf said:
Jimbeaux said:
The real Apache said:
Jimbeaux said:
I'd hazard a guess sthat his 'publicity stunt' if thats what it was, isn't quite going to plan...Jimbeaux said:
I just hope the Muslim community takes note of this example of how other religions police their own.
And pigs might fly. No, wait, that's not Halal. Edited by Marf on Thursday 9th September 12:56
Words hurt - try an acrimonious separation.
'Whitey' has been flung at me as a term of abuse but it can't be used like the 'N' word to put someone 'in their place' in the same way.
It's ironic that a civilised country allows freedom of speech which is consequently abused by morons where (probably) the government/intelligentsia actually agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment but are politically astute enough not to upset people when it's not required.
I'm surprised that Florida/USA doesn't have hate laws like we do here - I'm pretty sure that Pastor Jones would be talking to Inspector Knacker right now.
'Whitey' has been flung at me as a term of abuse but it can't be used like the 'N' word to put someone 'in their place' in the same way.
It's ironic that a civilised country allows freedom of speech which is consequently abused by morons where (probably) the government/intelligentsia actually agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment but are politically astute enough not to upset people when it's not required.
I'm surprised that Florida/USA doesn't have hate laws like we do here - I'm pretty sure that Pastor Jones would be talking to Inspector Knacker right now.
haven't there been all sorts of test cases by civil rights chaps protecting the right to burn flags etc?
where's the difference?
I still think this preacher is a bloody idiot though
maybe turn up at his bonfire and throw some bibles, NASCAR videos and some Billy Ray Cyrus records on too
where's the difference?
I still think this preacher is a bloody idiot though
maybe turn up at his bonfire and throw some bibles, NASCAR videos and some Billy Ray Cyrus records on too
paddyhasneeds said:
This is a total joke and non story.
Why are the actions of 50 nutters being taken as being of any significance let alone enough to be headline news on pretty much every channel this morning?
Absolutely not a non story when taken in the same context as a certain Danish cartoonistWhy are the actions of 50 nutters being taken as being of any significance let alone enough to be headline news on pretty much every channel this morning?
The real Apache said:
paddyhasneeds said:
This is a total joke and non story.
Why are the actions of 50 nutters being taken as being of any significance let alone enough to be headline news on pretty much every channel this morning?
Absolutely not a non story when taken in the same context as a certain Danish cartoonistWhy are the actions of 50 nutters being taken as being of any significance let alone enough to be headline news on pretty much every channel this morning?
If the media weren't giving it the airtime who would know what 50 people of an extreme religious persuasion were up to?
Marf said:
planetdave said:
I'm surprised that Florida/USA doesn't have hate laws like we do here
Why surprised? In a country that has freedom of speech/expression written into its fundament I'd be surprised if they did have such laws.Also..the country was founded by religious non-conformists who were trying to protect themselves from persecution. The US constitution was written by a fairly neutral intelligentsia but they lived in a very religious 18th century country where religious minorities were frequently at loggerheads.
odyssey2200 said:
one religeous group commits acts, burning flags/books/murdering people, in the mane of it's book and the rest of that religion do nothing, say nothing.
One christian decides to burn another fairy story and everyone is shouting that "he does not represent us" ith even the US Sectretary Of State publicly condemning the guy.
What would happen if a Muslim nutter decided to burn a bible?
A, there would be an outcry and Billery Clinton would be making statments on behalf of the US Govt
B, The most senior Muslim in the US would decry the act and point out that he does not reprsent the Muslim faith, or
C, Nothing, and some people would even defend the guys right to do this and to celebrate his ethnic diversity?
I bet I can guess.
Marf said:
So if he has been denied a permit, do you think the relevant authorities would take action to stop him?
Not sure, that is a very local call. I will be watching with interest. It will depend on the granularity of that particular locality's fire code. ErnestM may be able to help. planetdave said:
Words hurt - try an acrimonious separation.
'Whitey' has been flung at me as a term of abuse but it can't be used like the 'N' word to put someone 'in their place' in the same way.
It's ironic that a civilised country allows freedom of speech which is consequently abused by morons where (probably) the government/intelligentsia actually agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment but are politically astute enough not to upset people when it's not required.
I'm surprised that Florida/USA doesn't have hate laws like we do here - I'm pretty sure that Pastor Jones would be talking to Inspector Knacker right now.
We do have hate laws, those are federal; we shall see. Most think these laws are stupid because a crime should be a crime. If a crime is done upon a minority, why should the penalty be more than if done upon a non-minority. Is one's murder more significant than another's?'Whitey' has been flung at me as a term of abuse but it can't be used like the 'N' word to put someone 'in their place' in the same way.
It's ironic that a civilised country allows freedom of speech which is consequently abused by morons where (probably) the government/intelligentsia actually agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment but are politically astute enough not to upset people when it's not required.
I'm surprised that Florida/USA doesn't have hate laws like we do here - I'm pretty sure that Pastor Jones would be talking to Inspector Knacker right now.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 9th September 16:05
elster said:
Light n Hairy said:
Good idea. I so wish it was him dead and not Lennon.
I'm sorry, maybe I am missing something. Where the hell did you get a link to Lennon?!Hugo a Gogo said:
how about flying a plane full of burning Korans into Macca?
The moment has so gone now!
>humphs<
odyssey2200 said:
Marf said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
how about flying a plane full of burning Korans into Mecca?
Can we do the same with the Vatican and the Wailing Wall?Imagine my embarrassment, turning up with a harpoon gun!
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