burn a koran day

[rudecherub]

Marf said:

rudecherub said:

clonmult said:

Does America have more idiotic nutjobs than almost anywhere else in the world???

Remember we gave the world David Icke.

That we did, but that said America gifted us Jeff Rense and Alex Jones.

We've our fair share of 'protocols of the elders of Zion'- istas although they gravitate to the National Socialist BNP

Do these two like purple and believe the Queen is a shape shifting alien reptilian from the bowels of the Earth? If not Icke has then whupped IMO

[Marf]

Torquiose, not purple

Check their websites, Jones is hot on the NWO stuff and Rense pretty much publishes anything and everything.

[Light n Hairy]

Bullett said:

Burn a Korean?

Burn a Korando?

Both Korean and Korando, and vehicular. Triple PH bonus!

And worth burning.
Would attract worldwide support.
Burn the Kyron and the Rexton whilst at it.

Would offend the Musso-lim world maybe.

[Hugo a Gogo]

how about flying a plane full of burning Korans into Mecca?

[Light n Hairy]

Good idea. I so wish it was him dead and not Lennon.

[Marf]

Hugo a Gogo said:

how about flying a plane full of burning Korans into Mecca?

Can we do the same with the Vatican and the Wailing Wall?

[rudecherub]

Marf said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

how about flying a plane full of burning Korans into Mecca?

Can we do the same with the Vatican and the Wailing Wall?

But the point is neither Jew or Christian is going to get worked up over the burning of their holy books in the same way.

the Muslim tradition treats the Koran as more than just a book - the difference can be seen in the Prophet cartoon protests

[Marf]

rudecherub said:

Marf said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

how about flying a plane full of burning Korans into Mecca?

Can we do the same with the Vatican and the Wailing Wall?

But the point is neither Jew or Christian is going to get worked up over the burning of their holy books in the same way.

the Muslim tradition treats the Koran as more than just a book - the difference can be seen in the Prophet cartoon protests

There was an interesting discussion about this on Newsnight last night.

I'm no fan of religion, especially the Ahbrahamic ones, but in this instance its pretty clear that the Pastor is just having a needless pop at an entire religion, whose adherents are in the vast majority, peaceful.

It's nothing to do with attacking extremism, its just the same kind of bigotry displayed by the Wahabi inspired extremists responsible for 9/11 7/7, Madrid and Bali.

Still, will be interesting to see how the story unfolds if he does indeed go ahead on Saturday.

To sum up, should the Pastor be free to burn the books? Yes

Should there be laws in place that allow the state to punish someone who intentionally causes incitement to hatred or violence? Yes.

Edited by Marf on Thursday 9th September 10:59

[robm3]

Had to laugh at that powerhouse of news reporting that is AOL.com

"Mr Blair added his voice to those of the White House, the Vatican, the commander of international forces in Afghanistan General David Petraeus and film star Angelina Jolie, who all urged pastor Terry Jones to call off his protest."

Glad to see Angelina is up there as someone with a key vested interest in this...

[rudecherub]

Marf said:

To sum up, should the Pastor be free to burn the books? Yes

Should there be laws in place that allow the state to punish someone who intentionally causes incitement to hatred or violence? Yes.

I can agree wholeheartedly with this - even if we represent perhaps two distinct philosophies, yours I assume largely secular, mine admittedly Christian.

But I while the majority of muslims are not engaged in a war with the west, I would say the majority of muslims - certainly in the muslim world, don't differentiate between us ie the secular western society and Judeo-Christian values, and more importantly a significant minority react with hatred and violence to acts which the majority of other world religions - especially Christianity accepts/endures

[Jimbeaux]

His own church and daughter condemn him:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100908/pl_y...

[Jimbeaux]

clonmult said:

HOGEPH said:

JMGS4 said:

Nutjob Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, who wants to burn the Koran, convicted of fraud and misappropriation of a title (Dr) in Germany. Fined €3000,- and the present members of his church in Cologne are searching for the money from the kitty which is missing thanks to Nutjob.
Is this guy serious? Nutjob, telly pastor and crook!!!

Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 9th September 07:58

"Dougal, the money was just resting in my account."

Very, very good.

We were out in Florida last week, and were on our way back from Busch Gardens on friday evening. Were somewhat surprised at the number of churches that seemed to be dotted all over the place. And on one street corner, a bunch of religious protesters, mumbling something about jews and zionists. Didn't care about them, but the vacant looks and badly written signs put them straight down as idiotic nutjobs.

Does America have more idiotic nutjobs than almost anywhere else in the world???

I think that distinction is held by Hampshire.

[The real Apache]

Jimbeaux said:

His own church and daughter condemn him:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100908/pl_y...

I'd hazard a guess sthat his 'publicity stunt' if thats what it was, isn't quite going to plan...

[planetdave]

He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

[Marf]

rudecherub said:

Marf said:

To sum up, should the Pastor be free to burn the books? Yes

Should there be laws in place that allow the state to punish someone who intentionally causes incitement to hatred or violence? Yes.

I can agree wholeheartedly with this - even if we represent perhaps two distinct philosophies, yours I assume largely secular, mine admittedly Christian.

Indeed, I am coming at this from a secular view

rudecherub said:

But I while the majority of muslims are not engaged in a war with the west, I would say the majority of muslims - certainly in the muslim world, don't differentiate between us ie the secular western society and Judeo-Christian values, and more importantly a significant minority react with hatred and violence to acts which the majority of other world religions - especially Christianity accepts/endures

Yep, I'd agree with that

[stefd]

Marf said:

To sum up, should the Pastor be free to burn the books? Yes

Should there be laws in place that allow the state to punish someone who intentionally causes incitement to hatred or violence? Yes.

Incitement to violence? Isn't that the whole point? For most people such a thing doesn't exist.

[rudecherub]

stefd said:

Marf said:

To sum up, should the Pastor be free to burn the books? Yes

Should there be laws in place that allow the state to punish someone who intentionally causes incitement to hatred or violence? Yes.

Incitement to violence? Isn't that the whole point? For most people such a thing doesn't exist.

Yes but equally I don't see the difference between saying st and sugar in anger - but some people swearing is a taboo, likewise I wouldn't give a toss if I was called whitey, but the N word is not allowed.

Some things work people up, it's only polite and civilised not to cause offence when it's not necessary.

[clonmult]

Jimbeaux said:

clonmult said:

HOGEPH said:

JMGS4 said:

Nutjob Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, who wants to burn the Koran, convicted of fraud and misappropriation of a title (Dr) in Germany. Fined €3000,- and the present members of his church in Cologne are searching for the money from the kitty which is missing thanks to Nutjob.
Is this guy serious? Nutjob, telly pastor and crook!!!

Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 9th September 07:58

"Dougal, the money was just resting in my account."

Very, very good.

We were out in Florida last week, and were on our way back from Busch Gardens on friday evening. Were somewhat surprised at the number of churches that seemed to be dotted all over the place. And on one street corner, a bunch of religious protesters, mumbling something about jews and zionists. Didn't care about them, but the vacant looks and badly written signs put them straight down as idiotic nutjobs.

Does America have more idiotic nutjobs than almost anywhere else in the world???

I think that distinction is held by Hampshire.

Judging by some of my ex's, you (sadly) have a point.

[Tsippy]

clonmult said:

Jimbeaux said:

clonmult said:

HOGEPH said:

JMGS4 said:

Nutjob Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, who wants to burn the Koran, convicted of fraud and misappropriation of a title (Dr) in Germany. Fined €3000,- and the present members of his church in Cologne are searching for the money from the kitty which is missing thanks to Nutjob.
Is this guy serious? Nutjob, telly pastor and crook!!!

Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 9th September 07:58

"Dougal, the money was just resting in my account."

Very, very good.

We were out in Florida last week, and were on our way back from Busch Gardens on friday evening. Were somewhat surprised at the number of churches that seemed to be dotted all over the place. And on one street corner, a bunch of religious protesters, mumbling something about jews and zionists. Didn't care about them, but the vacant looks and badly written signs put them straight down as idiotic nutjobs.

Does America have more idiotic nutjobs than almost anywhere else in the world???

I think that distinction is held by Hampshire.

Judging by some of my ex's, you (sadly) have a point.

And do not forget the climate-facists who preached global warming during the heavy snow this year in Winchester

[Jimbeaux]

The real Apache said:

Jimbeaux said:

His own church and daughter condemn him:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100908/pl_y...

I'd hazard a guess sthat his 'publicity stunt' if thats what it was, isn't quite going to plan...

Denied a burn permit by the fire dept. That can get him locked up for an illegal open fire. I just hope the Muslim community takes note of this example of how other religions police their own.