So much fun to be had with the lefty students...

[loltolhurst]

quite always been a shortage of low paid workers so now we can have them without needing immigration or funding cack courses

[sidicks]

But surely the big issue with the latest proposals is that you only start to pay back the loans once you start earning over a certain amount (£21k)?

So you end up with people who have earned proper degrees (insert your own examples!) which are of use in their jobs and which allowthem to earn a higher salary funding those who wasted 3-years for a mickey mouse degree which will have no relevance in the real world and which doesn't improve their earning potential...?

sidicks

[Paul Dishman]

turbobloke said:

It's nothing to do with fanboyism.

Far more often it's Labour supporters who carry some sort of blind allegiance, even after two successive national trainwrecks in which the country has been nearly bankrupted to no purpose whatsoever (what purpose could there be). Gamely hanging on to the idea that leftist politicians can do anything but damage is nonsensical.

It's everything to do with evidence based preference.

Because my sister in law's father was a miner she always votes Labour. She's a very bright lady who votes purely on her own idea of working class solidarity, evidence doesn't come into it.

[thinfourth2]

Bing o said:

thinfourth2 said:

See utterly perfect demonstration of tory fan boys at work

The only alternative they can see to the tory party is labour

In a tory fan boy mind if you don't like the tories then you must be a 100% commie labour loving idiot

And they wonder why they see bias everywhere they look

Well, who else is there? We have essentially a 2 party system which ironically chucked the beardy sandle wearer's into coalition. As I said, ANYONE with half a brain can see that Labour consistently and completely fk up the country.

So despite we have 2 large parties in govenment and 1 large party and a sprinkling of smaller parties in opposition you still see anything which is not the tory party as being the labour party.

How odd

I'm expecting someone to pop up and call me a labour party supporter as i don't vote blue

[HardToLove]

musclecarmad said:

im chuffed student fees will go up - too many losers going to uni for the sake of it that still can't spell properly. there is no point in going to uni to do a degree in classical studies etc.

if you want to be a doctor or dentist then fine, the rewards are there long term.

however we need losers to stop going to uni - there are too many of them.

Without these people & foreign students the Uni's will fail financially, surely as an advisor this is not hard to see?

[sidicks]

HardToLove said:

musclecarmad said:

im chuffed student fees will go up - too many losers going to uni for the sake of it that still can't spell properly. there is no point in going to uni to do a degree in classical studies etc.

if you want to be a doctor or dentist then fine, the rewards are there long term.

however we need losers to stop going to uni - there are too many of them.

Without these people & foreign students the Uni's will fail financially, surely as an advisor this is not hard to see?

Too many losers going to university. Go back to the old days when it was just the most capable students doing useful courses. That way we can afford to means-test grants for the less well off.

Simples!


Sidicks

[pilchardthecat]

Paul Dishman said:

turbobloke said:

It's nothing to do with fanboyism.

Far more often it's Labour supporters who carry some sort of blind allegiance, even after two successive national trainwrecks in which the country has been nearly bankrupted to no purpose whatsoever (what purpose could there be). Gamely hanging on to the idea that leftist politicians can do anything but damage is nonsensical.

It's everything to do with evidence based preference.

Because my sister in law's father was a miner she always votes Labour. She's a very bright lady who votes purely on her own idea of working class solidarity, evidence doesn't come into it.

You can't be "very bright" and then behave like that. She sounds like a bit of a thicky to me.

[AV12]

Are you suggesting she's not very bright because she has a different view and opinion to you?

If the above is true what does that make your assessment of someone you don't know?

[Paul Dishman]

pilchardthecat said:

Paul Dishman said:

turbobloke said:

It's nothing to do with fanboyism.

Far more often it's Labour supporters who carry some sort of blind allegiance, even after two successive national trainwrecks in which the country has been nearly bankrupted to no purpose whatsoever (what purpose could there be). Gamely hanging on to the idea that leftist politicians can do anything but damage is nonsensical.

It's everything to do with evidence based preference.

Because my sister in law's father was a miner she always votes Labour. She's a very bright lady who votes purely on her own idea of working class solidarity, evidence doesn't come into it.

You can't be "very bright" and then behave like that. She sounds like a bit of a thicky to me.

Shes an English teacher with a BA and a MA , so not thick at all

Edited by Paul Dishman on Wednesday 13th October 11:55

[Asterix]

Paul Dishman said:

pilchardthecat said:

Paul Dishman said:

turbobloke said:

It's nothing to do with fanboyism.

Far more often it's Labour supporters who carry some sort of blind allegiance, even after two successive national trainwrecks in which the country has been nearly bankrupted to no purpose whatsoever (what purpose could there be). Gamely hanging on to the idea that leftist politicians can do anything but damage is nonsensical.

It's everything to do with evidence based preference.

Because my sister in law's father was a miner she always votes Labour. She's a very bright lady who votes purely on her own idea of working class solidarity, evidence doesn't come into it.

You can't be "very bright" and then behave like that. She sounds like a bit of a thicky to me.

Shes an English teacher with a BA and a MA , so not thick at all

Edited by Paul Dishman on Wednesday 13th October 11:55

Not a dig at all - but have you discussed with her how she reconciles her apparently 'educated' views with the mess that the Labour party historically leaves the country in? A failing country hits the working class as much, if not harder, as the perceived wealthy.

[12gauge]

The problem started when politicians (labour, tory, whatever) started using university as a way of keeping unemployed people from being unemployed.

Obviously, it would seem prudent to offer them training in things like plumbing, woodwork and other trades the Poles seem to have taken over in, although that would probably lead to tts like Tony Benn coming out from their rocks and accusing the govt of telling all those not at university theyre only good enough for manual trades.

[pilchardthecat]

Paul Dishman said:

pilchardthecat said:

Paul Dishman said:

turbobloke said:

It's nothing to do with fanboyism.

Far more often it's Labour supporters who carry some sort of blind allegiance, even after two successive national trainwrecks in which the country has been nearly bankrupted to no purpose whatsoever (what purpose could there be). Gamely hanging on to the idea that leftist politicians can do anything but damage is nonsensical.

It's everything to do with evidence based preference.

Because my sister in law's father was a miner she always votes Labour. She's a very bright lady who votes purely on her own idea of working class solidarity, evidence doesn't come into it.

You can't be "very bright" and then behave like that. She sounds like a bit of a thicky to me.

Shes an English teacher with a BA and a MA , so not thick at all

Edited by Paul Dishman on Wednesday 13th October 11:55

If you think academic success int the arts and being a massive thicky are mutually exclusive then you are a great big thicky thicko too.

Edited by pilchardthecat on Wednesday 13th October 13:56

[turbobloke]

Paul Dishman said:

turbobloke said:

It's nothing to do with fanboyism.

Far more often it's Labour supporters who carry some sort of blind allegiance, even after two successive national trainwrecks in which the country has been nearly bankrupted to no purpose whatsoever (what purpose could there be). Gamely hanging on to the idea that leftist politicians can do anything but damage is nonsensical.

It's everything to do with evidence based preference.

Because my sister in law's father was a miner she always votes Labour. She's a very bright lady who votes purely on her own idea of working class solidarity, evidence doesn't come into it.

Apart from what others have said, and given your direction isn't totally obvious, you make a point that supports mine. She's a Labour voter for whom "evidence doesn't come into it". So I guess we're in agreement

Conservative voters tend to be people who look at evidence, and make a rational choice as to the least worst political party.

Labour voters tend to ignore reason, even (supposedly) intelligent arts types, in fact definitely (supposedly) intelligent arts types

[thinfourth2]

turbobloke said:

Conservative voters tend to be people who look at evidence, and make a rational choice as to the least worst political party.

And then vote tory anyway just incase the labour party get in

[turbobloke]

thinfourth2 said:

turbobloke said:

Conservative voters tend to be people who look at evidence, and make a rational choice as to the least worst political party.

And then vote tory anyway just in case the labour party get in

If, for some illogical reason, there's any doubt, hopefully so

[ukwill]

thinfourth2 said:

turbobloke said:

Conservative voters tend to be people who look at evidence, and make a rational choice as to the least worst political party.

And then vote tory anyway just incase the labour party get in

Clearly that didn't happen in '97.

[Shay HTFC]

turbobloke said:

Conservative voters tend to be people who look at evidence, and make a rational choice as to the least worst political party.

Labour voters tend to ignore reason, even (supposedly) intelligent arts types, in fact definitely (supposedly) intelligent arts types

Its quite simple. Labour voters are idealists, Tory's are realists.
A realist will say that idealists are just dreamers that have no idea, and be glad they are not one of them.
An idealist will say that realists are just pessimists who don't have any hope for creating a better future, and also, be glad that they are not one of them.

With nothing but a Tory style government for the last 500 years, Britain would probably be st.
With nothing but a Labour style government for the last 500 years, Britain would also probably be st. Its all about the balance between moving forwards with new ideas, and being pragmatic in knowing what works.

Why do people get worked up about it? Accept that different people have different opinions and just get on with it. The only person that is intellectually inferior is the person that cannot grasp that concept and thinks that their own opinion is, for some miraculous reason, the absolute correct and truthful one.

[ukwill]

Shay HTFC said:

turbobloke said:

Conservative voters tend to be people who look at evidence, and make a rational choice as to the least worst political party.

Labour voters tend to ignore reason, even (supposedly) intelligent arts types, in fact definitely (supposedly) intelligent arts types

Its quite simple. Labour voters are idealists, Tory's are realists.
A realist will say that idealists are just dreamers that have no idea, and be glad they are not one of them.
An idealist will say that realists are just pessimists who don't have any hope for creating a better future, and also, be glad that they are not one of them.

With nothing but a Tory style government for the last 500 years, Britain would probably be st.
With nothing but a Labour style government for the last 500 years, Britain would also probably be st. Its all about the balance between moving forwards with new ideas, and being pragmatic in knowing what works.

Why do people get worked up about it? Accept that different people have different opinions and just get on with it. The only person that is intellectually inferior is the person that cannot grasp that concept and thinks that their own opinion is, for some miraculous reason, the absolute correct and truthful one.

A bit simplistic, but a slight amendment to that:

With nothing but a Tory style government for the last 500 years, Britain would probably be a lot wealthier than it is now.
With nothing but a Labour style government for the last 500 years, Britain would have ceased to exist about 450yrs ago.

[Tsippy]

Another problem with political voting is that very few people seem to know what they are actually voting for, and it's almost like they are supporting a sports team rather than deciding who should go on to run the country.

At the last election the numpty students around here were simply saying "Vote Liberal Democrats for fairness", but when quizzed on the subject they did not have a clue what the party stood for, so it was nothing more than a bandwagon that they were jumping on (I believe there was something wrote on the Holy Grail (AKA Facebook ) too urging everyone to vote Liberal).

At work there was an engineer insistant on voting for Labour because "They're for the working man", again, when quizzed on the policies he was clueless, but because his family had always voted Labour he still felt that he should despite evidence that the Labour rule had continued to ruin the industry that he worked in.

[pilchardthecat]

Tsippy said:

fairness

oh god, don't get me started on that one!