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It's not so much the wealth but rather the values that are instilled in children (e.g. work hard, think about what you are doing and want to do etc.) that mean they aspire and try to do things that end up bringing in money. Many wealthy parents had to work hard to get where they are and they instil that into their kids.
Of course, there are also some that end up spoilt as their parents don't know how to manage kids and just "pay them off". They're not really costing us anything though, just their parents
In some/many poor backgrounds, there are many parents that didn't "do well" and this can feed into their kids, doesn't matter what you do everyone's got it in for us mentality, school is just something for kids to do etc. The state should pay for them rather than them digging out themselves and so on can easily be a mentality that catches on. The situation IS understandable in many areas of the country, but whether you (as a kid growing up as well as the parents) let yourself be trapped into this mentality is up to you. The "state" is meant to be there to help people help themselves, not pay for them to contribute nothing to society. I understand that that's not necessarily the way things work out, we don't live in an utopia but we should at least be striving for it. It about the message that is sent out to society.
As far as "society", political parties etc. are concerned, the key to it is the message that rewards are more often than not for those that put the effort in (do well at school etc.) so everyone knows they can "make it" (or at least try to).
Bascially, life is what you make it. For sure it's harder/easier for some than others but that's no excuse for people to not try and it's certainly not an excuse to give up.
Of course, there are also some that end up spoilt as their parents don't know how to manage kids and just "pay them off". They're not really costing us anything though, just their parents
In some/many poor backgrounds, there are many parents that didn't "do well" and this can feed into their kids, doesn't matter what you do everyone's got it in for us mentality, school is just something for kids to do etc. The state should pay for them rather than them digging out themselves and so on can easily be a mentality that catches on. The situation IS understandable in many areas of the country, but whether you (as a kid growing up as well as the parents) let yourself be trapped into this mentality is up to you. The "state" is meant to be there to help people help themselves, not pay for them to contribute nothing to society. I understand that that's not necessarily the way things work out, we don't live in an utopia but we should at least be striving for it. It about the message that is sent out to society.
As far as "society", political parties etc. are concerned, the key to it is the message that rewards are more often than not for those that put the effort in (do well at school etc.) so everyone knows they can "make it" (or at least try to).
Bascially, life is what you make it. For sure it's harder/easier for some than others but that's no excuse for people to not try and it's certainly not an excuse to give up.
Edited by Dracoro on Thursday 14th October 19:54
essexplumber said:
have worked hard since leaving school with no qualifications and have bettered my lot. I don't want my future children to grow up as I did (about as poor as you can get). I belive that anyone no matter where they come from should be able to work their way to any position possible. Wealth is not a negative thing. As far as I can see the Torys are the only party that encourage hard work and honest endevour.
Good post.What gets up my nose are the likes of popstars who say "our success proves that if you keep at it, work hard and don't give up you can be a star like us". Absolute borllux 99.9% of the time. Most of the people who say that have just "got lucky" from among the masses of hopefuls.Much like winning the lottery where your chances are pitifully small but one or two big winners emerge.
I'd like to see the government spending more time and money making sure everyone has a decent opportunity in life. Our society seems to be becoming increasingly uneven with bigger hurdles for those trying to get on in life through good honest graft.
Dracoro said:
It's not so much the wealth but rather the values that are instilled in children (e.g. work hard, think about what you are doing and want to do etc.) that mean they aspire and try to do things that end up bringing in money. Many wealthy parents had to work hard to get where they are and they instil that into their kids.
Of course, there are also some that end up spoilt as their parents don't know how to manage kids and just "pay them off". They're not really costing us anything though, just their parents
In some/many poor backgrounds, there are many parents that didn't "do well" and this can feed into their kids, doesn't matter what you do everyone's got it in for us mentality, school is just something for kids to do etc. The state should pay for them rather than them digging out themselves and so on can easily be a mentality that catches on. The situation IS understandable in many areas of the country, but whether you (as a kid growing up as well as the parents) let yourself be trapped into this mentality is up to you. The "state" is meant to be there to help people help themselves, not pay for them to contribute nothing to society. I understand that that's not necessarily the way things work out, we don't live in an utopia but we should at least be striving for it. It about the message that is sent out to society.
As far as "society", political parties etc. are concerned, the key to it is the message that rewards are more often than not for those that put the effort in (do well at school etc.) so everyone knows they can "make it" (or at least try to).
Bascially, life is what you make it. For sure it's harder/easier for some than others but that's no excuse for people to not try and it's certainly not an excuse to give up.
110% in agreement with that sentiment.Of course, there are also some that end up spoilt as their parents don't know how to manage kids and just "pay them off". They're not really costing us anything though, just their parents
In some/many poor backgrounds, there are many parents that didn't "do well" and this can feed into their kids, doesn't matter what you do everyone's got it in for us mentality, school is just something for kids to do etc. The state should pay for them rather than them digging out themselves and so on can easily be a mentality that catches on. The situation IS understandable in many areas of the country, but whether you (as a kid growing up as well as the parents) let yourself be trapped into this mentality is up to you. The "state" is meant to be there to help people help themselves, not pay for them to contribute nothing to society. I understand that that's not necessarily the way things work out, we don't live in an utopia but we should at least be striving for it. It about the message that is sent out to society.
As far as "society", political parties etc. are concerned, the key to it is the message that rewards are more often than not for those that put the effort in (do well at school etc.) so everyone knows they can "make it" (or at least try to).
Bascially, life is what you make it. For sure it's harder/easier for some than others but that's no excuse for people to not try and it's certainly not an excuse to give up.
Edited by Dracoro on Thursday 14th October 19:54
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