Ambulance tea break death

[Uhura fighter]

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Well?

[missdiane]

Shouldn't tea breaks be as and when business allows?

[Some Gump]

fking work to rule, union thinking bunch of arse.

I hope he can look aat himself in the mirror, he's chosen a career as the man who saves lives, then decides a brew is more important than a 999 call? .

[s3fella]

Typical Public sector . I am not surprised in the least.

[Gargamel]

Its going to be very hard for him to live with that decision in a small community.

It probably is a bad rule and poorly thought out. But at some point he must have joined the ambulance service "to save lives"

I don't suppose you see many bankers thinking, I could do a great deal here, or have a cup of tea for 20 mins and miss out.

[Lost_BMW]

746529 said:

If the rules allowed him not to go then he's not to blame, it's the rules fault and those people policing those rules, morals don't come in to it

Just like the rules allowed the bankers to do what they did without any blame being put on them and all the blame being put on those that created the rules ( the government) and policed those rules

People are not morally responsible for their actions when they are following rules and proceedures

bks. Just following orders sir. You apologist @!*%$£.

Everyone has a choice, and can make moral choices and be responsible morally. He failed to use the discretion, common sense and selflessness that should be inherent in anyone who choose such a profession. I hope he's hounded out. And as for you . .

[Some Gump]

Lost, you;re pissing into the wind. Accoriding to 76..., every "banker" in the UK colluded to rip off the common man, spend all our cash, and kill us all. At no point, did anyone work hard, get a job, and do what they were told to do. Noone tried to get the best deal for their clients, or make most money for their bosses.

He's trying to use this thread backwards in some "clever" leftie bks arguement that says that bank employees, and not Gordon Brown's fiscal policies are to blame for the current austerity measures.

[Lost_BMW]

Some Gump said:

Lost, you;re pissing into the wind. Accoriding to 76..., every "banker" in the UK colluded to rip off the common man, spend all our cash, and kill us all. At no point, did anyone work hard, get a job, and do what they were told to do. Noone tried to get the best deal for their clients, or make most money for their bosses.

He's trying to use this thread backwards in some "clever" leftie bks arguement that says that bank employees, and not Gordon Brown's fiscal policies are to blame for the current austerity measures.

Yes, probably right - hopefully the leftie troll has also done some pissing, off!

[Chrisgr31]

The reality is that this issue is caused by the management of the NHS and Ambulance Trusts trying to make the service more "efficient". They are doing this by trying to make the forntline work harded rather than making themselves redundant.

The outcome is that ambulance stations are being closed, and ambulances can now work anywhere throughout huge areas leading to the reliance on GPS etc. However to hit targets which call for them to get to calls within an average of x minutes they will tend to be based in population areas as there will be more calls. So dont need an ambulance in a hurry in a rural area.

However ambulance crews now tend to be so busy that if they answered every call they wouldn't get a break so it seems to me they have to take a break, and be free from their radio and callouts. After all this guys colleague calls his behaviour disgraceful, but she didnt take the call, and why not? Because she was at home and unavailable. So she is on a break at home and doesn't get criticised for not taking the call, he is on a break but still at the station and does get criticised.


Guess the answer is for them all to take breaks away from the radio!

[Lost_BMW]

Chrisgr31 said:

The reality is that this issue is caused by the management of the NHS and Ambulance Trusts trying to make the service more "efficient". They are doing this by trying to make the forntline work harded rather than making themselves redundant.

The outcome is that ambulance stations are being closed, and ambulances can now work anywhere throughout huge areas leading to the reliance on GPS etc. However to hit targets which call for them to get to calls within an average of x minutes they will tend to be based in population areas as there will be more calls. So dont need an ambulance in a hurry in a rural area.

However ambulance crews now tend to be so busy that if they answered every call they wouldn't get a break so it seems to me they have to take a break, and be free from their radio and callouts. After all this guys colleague calls his behaviour disgraceful, but she didnt take the call, and why not? Because she was at home and unavailable. So she is on a break at home and doesn't get criticised for not taking the call, he is on a break but still at the station and does get criticised.


Guess the answer is for them all to take breaks away from the radio!

Or to invest properly in a well planned needs level such that if one medic/van is 'off' for a deserved or mandatory rest, others are deployed in their place = no forced gap in service/ availability. But they might lose a few execs. of course to pay for this, so optimistic I guess!

[Tadite]

Uhura fighter said:

746529 said:

Uhura fighter said:

746529 said:

Stuff

Are you still here?

Will you fk off?

Reported

Bye bye

Dream on.

You think he's real? Strange looking nick constructed from numbers and only been around for a month?

Seems a little... constructed....

[fluffnik]

746529 said:

People are not morally responsible for their actions when they are following rules and proceedures

Yes they are.

It is that simple.

[fluffnik]

Chrisgr31 said:

Guess the answer is for them all to take breaks away from the radio!

I used to work in show business.

During showtime there was only show.

Can it be so difficult to run st that actually matters to at least the same standard?

If you don't give a fk, fk off, we'll find someone who does...

[Mr_annie_vxr]

grumbledoak said:

The emergency services don't get to work to rule or strike, for me.

That woman is quite likely dead because he wanted the doughnut that was 'due to him'.

No rights for paramedics. How dare they insist on being paid for working. I absolutely agree with you. They should work without pay every day. They should work 70 hours and be paid for 30. They should have their money reduced by cutting their hours but then be forced to work the hours cut to save money for free.

[Mr_annie_vxr]

fluffnik said:

Chrisgr31 said:

Guess the answer is for them all to take breaks away from the radio!

I used to work in show business.

During showtime there was only show.

Can it be so difficult to run st that actually matters to at least the same standard?

If you don't give a fk, fk off, we'll find someone who does...

So you think people should work for free.

I don't agree with his choice but they have reduced his hours by no longer paying him for his breaks to save money. They then rely on his or others moral code to mean that they will still work when not being paid. Paramedics are paid by the hour and employed by the hour and actually not very well paid considering how reliant on them we are.

Treat people like they work on a priduction line and that they are not doing a valuable job and eventually some people will react.

I wouldn't but also cannot turn down a job on or off duty. It's ' written' into our regulations.

[Engineer1]

Parrot of Doom said:

So the background to this is that his employer (nationwide) reduced the working week from 40 to 37 hours. Some ambulance services offered staff payments of up to £1,200 to opt-out of their rest breaks. This man's employer offered only £250.

Would you lose your rest breaks at work for only £250 a year?


Sounds to me like his employer might be hanging him out to dry, when in reality he's probably that pissed off with being ill-treated, he's decided to work to rule. I can't say I blame him.

To me it sounds like the poor guy made a duff decision, what makes it worse for him is that it is a small town where everyone knows who he is. If you are on break you are on break, if you need the work covered while the person is on break then you need another employee who with staggered breaks to cover the times when the other one is on break.

missdiane said:

Shouldn't tea breaks be as and when business allows

The problem there is that you don't know when it's going to be quite enough for the next 15mins to be able to take your break.
The NHS trusts take the piss, my wife is a Nurse and my sister is a Nurse at both their hospitals the amount of overtime available due to staff shortages is ridiculous, in the past decade or so hospitals had hiring freezes meaning shortages of nurses qualified at certain grades etc.

[JumboBeef]

Lost_BMW said:

Chrisgr31 said:

The reality is that this issue is caused by the management of the NHS and Ambulance Trusts trying to make the service more "efficient". They are doing this by trying to make the forntline work harded rather than making themselves redundant.

The outcome is that ambulance stations are being closed, and ambulances can now work anywhere throughout huge areas leading to the reliance on GPS etc. However to hit targets which call for them to get to calls within an average of x minutes they will tend to be based in population areas as there will be more calls. So dont need an ambulance in a hurry in a rural area.

However ambulance crews now tend to be so busy that if they answered every call they wouldn't get a break so it seems to me they have to take a break, and be free from their radio and callouts. After all this guys colleague calls his behaviour disgraceful, but she didnt take the call, and why not? Because she was at home and unavailable. So she is on a break at home and doesn't get criticised for not taking the call, he is on a break but still at the station and does get criticised.


Guess the answer is for them all to take breaks away from the radio!

Or to invest properly in a well planned needs level such that if one medic/van is 'off' for a deserved or mandatory rest, others are deployed in their place = no forced gap in service/ availability. But they might lose a few execs. of course to pay for this, so optimistic I guess!

How? Rurally, you have one ambulance covering a large area. Where would a 'spare' ambulance come from to cover meal breaks? The next area? That then leaves that area uncovered.

[Engineer1]

Or you employ an extra person per shift to cover breaks, of course the problem then becomes that the extra person needs to be both a driver and a paramedic, I suspect that the time between calls isn't spent sat doing nothing.

[Ruskie]

A lot of assumptions being made in this thread. Let me make this clear, because one public sector worker acts this way doesn't mean we are all lazy, work shy etc.

I am talking first hand and not pub talk now.

On a 12 hour shift you get 2 breaks, 1 of 30 mins and 1 of 15 mins. These are allocated in certain 2 hour windows. If you choose to you can have these breaks protected which means 2 things. After your 2 hour window has finished you must be sent back for break regardless and that one back you cannot be interrupted for anything. Control SHOULD not even ask you.

The other option is to opt out of protected meal breaks. This means you they are allowed to interrupt your meal breaks for any job. In reality it means alot if crews go with out a meal break for 12 hours. We get paid £120 a month extra for this.

Alot of the out lying stations who are 1 hour from hospitals are not getting breaks so are opting out. Morally I don't agree with the principle but then morally is it right to flog someone for 12 hours without providing food or a break. It is a personal choice but I am very glad that our station chooses to put patients first.

[Uhura fighter]

Tadite said:

Uhura fighter said:

746529 said:

Uhura fighter said:

746529 said:

Stuff

Are you still here?

Will you fk off?

Reported

Bye bye

Dream on.

You think he's real? Strange looking nick constructed from numbers and only been around for a month?

Seems a little... constructed....

Read the link further up that I posted - He nicked pictures of a clio 172 from PH boards and claimed it was his own car. Also look at his posts - he is racingdude or some other liebour nutter.