Student march at Millbank
Discussion
This is how I see the problem;
Kid leaves school with shyte grades---does key skills or some meaningless drivel---manages to blag his/her way onto a BTEC Diploma----gets into University via a Direct Access Course----gets a meaningless degree in Sports Science/ Sociology.
We need to turn the clock back a couple of decades.
To study at A level, kids had to get decent enough grades from their O levels/GCSEs.
To get to University, students had to have decent grades from their A levels. It was very simple, if you're not bright enough, you won't be doing a degree!
Too many fecking feckless students, not bright enough in the first place, need to be removed from the education system, so that those who genuinely are bright can study for a decent degree.
Maybe then we can remove tuition fees altogether. It's simply not sustainable to have 50% of school-leavers going on to University.
Kid leaves school with shyte grades---does key skills or some meaningless drivel---manages to blag his/her way onto a BTEC Diploma----gets into University via a Direct Access Course----gets a meaningless degree in Sports Science/ Sociology.
We need to turn the clock back a couple of decades.
To study at A level, kids had to get decent enough grades from their O levels/GCSEs.
To get to University, students had to have decent grades from their A levels. It was very simple, if you're not bright enough, you won't be doing a degree!
Too many fecking feckless students, not bright enough in the first place, need to be removed from the education system, so that those who genuinely are bright can study for a decent degree.
Maybe then we can remove tuition fees altogether. It's simply not sustainable to have 50% of school-leavers going on to University.
Edited by V88Dicky on Wednesday 10th November 14:43
V88Dicky said:
This is how I see the problem;
Kid leaves school with shyte grades---does key skills or some meaningless drivel---manages to blag his/her way onto a BTEC Diploma----gets into University via a Direct Access Course----gets a meaningless degree in Sports Science/ Sociology.
We need to turn the clock back a couple of decades.
To study at A level, kids had to get decent enough grades from their O levels/GCSEs.
To get to University, students had to have decent grades from their A levels.
Too many fecking feckless students, not bright enough in the first place, need to be removed from the education system, so that those who genuinely are bright can study for a decent degree.
Maybe then we can remove tuition fees altogether. It's simply not sustainable to have 50% of school-leavers going on to University.
I completely agree.Kid leaves school with shyte grades---does key skills or some meaningless drivel---manages to blag his/her way onto a BTEC Diploma----gets into University via a Direct Access Course----gets a meaningless degree in Sports Science/ Sociology.
We need to turn the clock back a couple of decades.
To study at A level, kids had to get decent enough grades from their O levels/GCSEs.
To get to University, students had to have decent grades from their A levels.
Too many fecking feckless students, not bright enough in the first place, need to be removed from the education system, so that those who genuinely are bright can study for a decent degree.
Maybe then we can remove tuition fees altogether. It's simply not sustainable to have 50% of school-leavers going on to University.
We need to bring back proper apprenticeship schemes and give kids a choice. A lot of them do not want to stay at school until 18 and then go to uni. Why make them? Why waste taxpayers money?
Leave school at 16, go onto an apprenticeship, full time work or the forces. Get good GCSEs do A levels and then go onto university.
+1 to both the above - coming from someone who's off to uni next year!
Quote from the NUS president:
"We will fight back against attempts to dismantle the funded education system we desperately need for economic recovery, social mobility and cultural enrichment"
Wait, so more money to fund mongs doing degrees of no use is going to aid an economic recovery, and more people going into true GDP-increasing fields such as manufacturing won't?
Social mobility? If you didn't work hard at school, start at the bottom and work your way up - that's how social mobility should work.
Cultural enrichment? p
s off.
Quote from the NUS president:
"We will fight back against attempts to dismantle the funded education system we desperately need for economic recovery, social mobility and cultural enrichment"
Wait, so more money to fund mongs doing degrees of no use is going to aid an economic recovery, and more people going into true GDP-increasing fields such as manufacturing won't?
Social mobility? If you didn't work hard at school, start at the bottom and work your way up - that's how social mobility should work.
Cultural enrichment? p
s off.
The riot police should have been there from the beginning. Anyone hiding their face should have been given the choice of removing the covering item of clothing or being arrested. Cost of all damage and that of engaging the police and other authorities should be charged to existing students.
It really is time to get tough with these thugs.
It really is time to get tough with these thugs.
shoggoth1 said:
It's on the telly in the office.
I was wondering why they aren't in classes/studying - I suspect media/arts degree types.
There is also a disappointing lack of baton charges from the Police.
Wednesday afternoons are generally free for sports. What you're witnessing this afternoon is the inaugural BUCS "window smashing and rioting" league, celebrated by an exhibition match between Universities Select MMMM and the Met Police second LX.I was wondering why they aren't in classes/studying - I suspect media/arts degree types.
There is also a disappointing lack of baton charges from the Police.
Years ago I started a thread about students complaining about fee increases, and got flamed for it. Tide has certainly turned now, I see, and good thing too.
Yes, their parents had it easy, but as a country we were comparatively rich then. We aren't now, it's time they got over it, still never let something like obviius fact get in the way of an exciting day out in London
Yes, their parents had it easy, but as a country we were comparatively rich then. We aren't now, it's time they got over it, still never let something like obviius fact get in the way of an exciting day out in London
john_p said:
I wonder if they've actually got into CCHQ
I understand the robot sentry automatic weapons are down to their last few rounds, having managed to beat back the assault for awhile.Motion sensors are indicating the students are *inside* the perimeter, but that doesn't make any sense, because otherwise they'd be visible.....unless...oh Dear God....unless they're in the void space above the ceilings....
Edited by eharding on Wednesday 10th November 15:45
singlecoil said:
Years ago I started a thread about students complaining about fee increases, and got flamed for it. Tide has certainly turned now, I see, and good thing too.
Yes, their parents had it easy, but as a country we were comparatively rich then. We aren't now, it's time they got over it, still never let something like obviius fact get in the way of an exciting day out in London
Years ago I started a thread on a different forum on how ridiculous whiplash claims etc were a bad thing, and got flamed for it as well. Especially when I mentioned that it would all come back to haunt us in the form of increased premiums. Strange how peoples opinion changes when it has a direct effect on them (in my example, insurance premium rises)...Yes, their parents had it easy, but as a country we were comparatively rich then. We aren't now, it's time they got over it, still never let something like obviius fact get in the way of an exciting day out in London
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