How long til the Argies kick off?

[BeeRoad]

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Argentina would currently be hard pressed to launch a convincing assault on a Chilean goat farm, let alone an island defended by Typhoons, Astute class nuclear subs and the World's most powerful air defence destroyer, the type 45. The fact that a 41 year old plane like the Harrier has been retired is neither here nor there.

You are aware the type 45 has no missiles?

Yes and we can use them to shoot down the planes Argentina doesn't have.

I'm aware Wiki is not the bastion of all knowledge and truths but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Air_Force#I...

Theres a few planes there capable of giving someone a bloody nose.

Well, if you fancy going up against a group of Typhoons in the few of those 1950's planes still airworthy that Argentina has, I doubt you'll find much of a queue in front of you!

[shoggoth1]

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

[Jimbeaux]

Flintstone said:

Fume troll said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

What if we did?

Preferably ones that don't shoot our troops.


Y'all.

Don't get in front of us then.

[Jimbeaux]

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

WOrry not. Joe citizen loves you lot far more than you love us. If Barry O tried that he could legitimatly be taken water skiing through an alligator farm.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 16th December 15:57

[Ross1988]

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Argentina would currently be hard pressed to launch a convincing assault on a Chilean goat farm, let alone an island defended by Typhoons, Astute class nuclear subs and the World's most powerful air defence destroyer, the type 45. The fact that a 41 year old plane like the Harrier has been retired is neither here nor there.

You are aware the type 45 has no missiles?

Yes and we can use them to shoot down the planes Argentina doesn't have.

I'm aware Wiki is not the bastion of all knowledge and truths but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Air_Force#I...

Theres a few planes there capable of giving someone a bloody nose.

Well, if you fancy going up against a group of Typhoons in the few of those 1950's planes still airworthy that Argentina has, I doubt you'll find much of a queue in front of you!

Oh no, I quite agree that we would smash them right up, don't get me wrong, I was just raising the point that the type 45 is not yet fully armed.

To raise a second point, how many Typhoons are down there? And how many AA missiles can they carry, If for example, the Argies sent all there planes across at once, can we realistically shoot them all down?
What sort of air defence systems do we have in place, I know Rapier is not the best in hilly terrain.

I know the Typhoon has concrete ballast instead of a cannon at the moment.

[wildcat45]

What if their SF took a rig - or a supply vessel?

True an operation like Op Rosary would be beyond their capabilities, but something like that would pose a problem for us.

Don't forget we have no maritime patrol aircraft now. Don't know what their sub force is like, but a decent SSK - if it made it into something like Falkland Sound or the outer harbour at Stanley, could deliver SF into the area to at the very least to casue problems.

Someone said to me when I was down there last that the Argies could have won without a drop of blood being spilt.

in the 1970s if they'd opened up an Argentine Airways office in Stanley and stocked it with beautiful women who were lets say "generous with their time" then before long you would have had a substantial proportion of the population who had demonstrable links to the motherland, thus making the argument to take the islands back peacefully, by treaty or lease, more of a likelyhood.

[Fume troll]

Wouldn't one bomb into the runway at Stanley put the Typhoons out of the game?

Cheers,

FT.

[Ross1988]

They'd have to get there first? Surely radar would pick them up?

[Fume troll]

Ross1988 said:

They'd have to get there first? Surely radar would pick them up?

Yeah, probably, but they have lots of planes, and lots of bombs. I'm not sure what their chances are of shutting down the runway, but it's not zero. Especially if it's their opening move and done in a sneaky manner (e.g. under a mayday).

Cheers,

FT.

[ralphrj]

Fume troll said:

Wouldn't one bomb into the runway at Stanley put the Typhoons out of the game?

Cheers,

FT.

No, because they are based at Mt Pleasant.

[philthy]

I'd just love to see the brylcreem boys get the chance to use those typhoons in anger.

[BeeRoad]

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Argentina would currently be hard pressed to launch a convincing assault on a Chilean goat farm, let alone an island defended by Typhoons, Astute class nuclear subs and the World's most powerful air defence destroyer, the type 45. The fact that a 41 year old plane like the Harrier has been retired is neither here nor there.

You are aware the type 45 has no missiles?

Yes and we can use them to shoot down the planes Argentina doesn't have.

I'm aware Wiki is not the bastion of all knowledge and truths but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Air_Force#I...

Theres a few planes there capable of giving someone a bloody nose.

Well, if you fancy going up against a group of Typhoons in the few of those 1950's planes still airworthy that Argentina has, I doubt you'll find much of a queue in front of you!

Oh no, I quite agree that we would smash them right up, don't get me wrong, I was just raising the point that the type 45 is not yet fully armed.

To raise a second point, how many Typhoons are down there? And how many AA missiles can they carry, If for example, the Argies sent all there planes across at once, can we realistically shoot them all down?
What sort of air defence systems do we have in place, I know Rapier is not the best in hilly terrain.

I know the Typhoon has concrete ballast instead of a cannon at the moment.

The Typhoon has 13 A2A hardpoints allowing various combinations of medium range (AMRAAM, BVRAAM) which can kill any Argentinian aircraft whilst remaining many miles out of their range and also various short range options (ASRAAM, AIM-9) if any get closer. A flight of four Typhoons would mop up the entire airworthy Argentinian air force in one sortie, if the enemy were daft enough to take off in their Vietnam-era planes. And in addition to the 4 permanently located in the falklands, we've got another 78 operational and a further 78 on order. Rapier has come on a bit since 1982, including successfully tracking and targeting a B2 stealth bomber at Farnborough, so I suspect it may be more use in the event of a new attempt.

[BeeRoad]

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

Same as last time then when the yank politicos sided with their South American 'allies'. All except Caspar of course.

[Jimbeaux]

BeeRoad said:

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

Same as last time then when the yank politicos sided with their South American 'allies'. All except Caspar of course.

And Caspar was the one that counted as he owned the toys.

[shoggoth1]

BeeRoad said:

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

Same as last time then when the yank politicos sided with their South American 'allies'. All except Caspar of course.

I believe, behind the scenes, the US did disuade the French from selling them any more Exocets. The only issue I think the US had with us was that Maggie was all for operations on the Argentinian mainland itself, which they weren't happy about.

Anyway, Jimbeaux has the US end of things covered for us this time.

[Jimbeaux]

shoggoth1 said:

BeeRoad said:

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

Same as last time then when the yank politicos sided with their South American 'allies'. All except Caspar of course.

I believe, behind the scenes, the US did disuade the French from selling them any more Exocets. The only issue I think the US had with us was that Maggie was all for operations on the Argentinian mainland itself, which they weren't happy about.

Anyway, Jimbeaux has the US end of things covered for us this time.

I think is was a case of publicly acting neutral because we needed some help in keeping Soviet influence out of the hemisphere. Underneath, we were doing plenty to assist the U.K. Sidewinder missiles and AWACS intel being examples.

[shoggoth1]

Jimbeaux said:

shoggoth1 said:

BeeRoad said:

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

Same as last time then when the yank politicos sided with their South American 'allies'. All except Caspar of course.

I believe, behind the scenes, the US did disuade the French from selling them any more Exocets. The only issue I think the US had with us was that Maggie was all for operations on the Argentinian mainland itself, which they weren't happy about.

Anyway, Jimbeaux has the US end of things covered for us this time.

I think is was a case of publicly acting neutral because we needed some help in keeping Soviet influence out of the hemisphere. Underneath, we were doing plenty to assist the U.K. Sidewinder missiles and AWACS intel being examples.

I thought a fair bit had gone on 'unannounced' - I think any attack on Argentina was sidelined by the US because of the possiblility that it might actually lead to a South American coalition forming and it escalating somewhat.

[Corsair7]

The Typoon force is only as good as the current rules of engagement allow them to be. I would suspect that in peace time, you'd have to get permission to open fire in triplicate signed in blood and authorised directly from the prime minister.

No doubt if thirty Argie planes came over the horizon and started launching attacks, then the local commander would be able to make the appropriate decision. But if thats not the scenario, lets say its one transport plane thats declaring an emergency, needs assitance, is someone going to be able to 'take it out' before it gets to the only servicable runway..... I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...

(ps, Mount pleasant being re-surfaced currently too....)

http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/30/falklands-mpa-...

[Ross1988]

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Ross1988 said:

BeeRoad said:

Argentina would currently be hard pressed to launch a convincing assault on a Chilean goat farm, let alone an island defended by Typhoons, Astute class nuclear subs and the World's most powerful air defence destroyer, the type 45. The fact that a 41 year old plane like the Harrier has been retired is neither here nor there.

You are aware the type 45 has no missiles?

Yes and we can use them to shoot down the planes Argentina doesn't have.

I'm aware Wiki is not the bastion of all knowledge and truths but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Air_Force#I...

Theres a few planes there capable of giving someone a bloody nose.

Well, if you fancy going up against a group of Typhoons in the few of those 1950's planes still airworthy that Argentina has, I doubt you'll find much of a queue in front of you!

Oh no, I quite agree that we would smash them right up, don't get me wrong, I was just raising the point that the type 45 is not yet fully armed.

To raise a second point, how many Typhoons are down there? And how many AA missiles can they carry, If for example, the Argies sent all there planes across at once, can we realistically shoot them all down?
What sort of air defence systems do we have in place, I know Rapier is not the best in hilly terrain.

I know the Typhoon has concrete ballast instead of a cannon at the moment.

The Typhoon has 13 A2A hardpoints allowing various combinations of medium range (AMRAAM, BVRAAM) which can kill any Argentinian aircraft whilst remaining many miles out of their range and also various short range options (ASRAAM, AIM-9) if any get closer. A flight of four Typhoons would mop up the entire airworthy Argentinian air force in one sortie, if the enemy were daft enough to take off in their Vietnam-era planes. And in addition to the 4 permanently located in the falklands, we've got another 78 operational and a further 78 on order. Rapier has come on a bit since 1982, including successfully tracking and targeting a B2 stealth bomber at Farnborough, so I suspect it may be more use in the event of a new attempt.

Good to know! Thanks BeeRoad

[s2art]

Corsair7 said:

The Typoon force is only as good as the current rules of engagement allow them to be. I would suspect that in peace time, you'd have to get permission to open fire in triplicate signed in blood and authorised directly from the prime minister.

No doubt if thirty Argie planes came over the horizon and started launching attacks, then the local commander would be able to make the appropriate decision. But if thats not the scenario, lets say its one transport plane thats declaring an emergency, needs assitance, is someone going to be able to 'take it out' before it gets to the only servicable runway..... I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...

(ps, Mount pleasant being re-surfaced currently too....)

http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/30/falklands-mpa-...

A good few hours wouldnt be enough. In any case how are the troop transport ships from Argentina going to get past the subs?