How long til the Argies kick off?

[ukwill]

550Hep said:

Jim the Sunderer said:

I am waiting for that KatieK girl to come on here saying the nasty Tories bullied the poor oppressed spam canners.

Tomorrow mate, Porsche is in for a service/repair and there is vintage Burgundy to drink! Then and only then can we have a hard day deriding the awful capitalists pig dogs!

That never ceases to make me chuckle!

[Lardydah]

Did anybody here see question time a month or so back. Gen Dannat was on the panel and gave a pretty good overview of the situation. Typhoons, a sub, a garrison, and a large paved runway that could be used to reinforce quickly. They've the same kit as 1982 and when they attacked then there were only 11 royal marines defending the place.

[BeeRoad]

Jimbeaux said:

BeeRoad said:

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

Same as last time then when the yank politicos sided with their South American 'allies'. All except Caspar of course.

And Caspar was the one that counted as he owned the toys.

Indeed, we were lucky he had the influence he did despite spineless Reagan's best efforts to the contrary, fortunately Maggie was made of sterner stuff. Shame really, I admired Reagan up to that point.

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/110526

[Rich_W]

Have a Harrier video for old times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMEgp_tGDw4

(swearing)

[Jimbeaux]

BeeRoad said:

Jimbeaux said:

BeeRoad said:

shoggoth1 said:

swamp said:

Eric Mc said:

swamp said:

What if the Argies had some allies?

Like who?

Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay...?!



Actually, forget it!

Err, since El Presidente Obama referred to them as the Malvinas and they were 'offering to assist in negotiations' it wouldn't surprise me if it was the US.

Same as last time then when the yank politicos sided with their South American 'allies'. All except Caspar of course.

And Caspar was the one that counted as he owned the toys.

Indeed, we were lucky he had the influence he did despite spineless Reagan's best efforts to the contrary, fortunately Maggie was made of sterner stuff. Shame really, I admired Reagan up to that point.

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/110526

Reagan an Maggie were close. I believe he was being on the fence in public to keep the southern nations in the hemisphere on side in restricting Soviet footholds. Remember, the Soviets funded much proxy instigation down there at that time; that was the "big deal" at the time, not a country everyone knew you could beat anyway. However, the behind-the-scenes assistance finally became public, as I think it should have in the first place.

[AndrewW-G]

550Hep said:

Riley15/6 said:

Somnophore said:

Never heard of any Argentinan cars, and if I remember correctly all their planes are semi obsolete Dasault Mirages (French)

There is an outfit that makes some superb Bugatti Type 35 replicas. That would need to be preserved in the event of them upsetting us!

That is so British & PH I love it!

and lovely things they are too, almost perfect copy, only bits not correct are the ignition and bearings . . . . . both big improvements on the originals and only done to improve reliability, top of my current wants list

[perdu]

Not entirely immaterial

I am informed by a man that knows about these things

Concrete has been replaced by devices that expel bulletty things in a forward direction on the Typhoons, extra ballast now considered surplus to requirements, anyone else able to update me on that please?

(for those that worry about these things...like me! )

[rypt]

Jimbeaux said:

Reagan an Maggie were close.

And yet Maggie vetoed MOD plan to bomb mainland Argentina because Reagan would have none of it

[IanMorewood]

I would be very surprised if Argentina perused military action to retake the Falklands any time soon. Although numerically superior there air force would get slaughtered (it cant all be used in one go due to refuelling demands and its mostly 2nd generation jet aircraft that would find its self up against arguably the best 4th generation fighter aircraft) and there transport shipping therefore would be put at great risk (maximum speed of a boat 20kts giving a good 15 hour window in which the fleet would have to be steaming hard at the Falklands) from air attack (the base at Mount Pleasant would be reinforced within hours of the initial action (certainly within 24 hours)) as well as submarine attack (assuming an attack boat is in the area) well before any substantial force could be put ashore. Any special forces raid without backup would just be a sacrifice of men as the garrison on the Falklands now is not unsubstantial.

[Jimbeaux]

rypt said:

Jimbeaux said:

Reagan an Maggie were close.

And yet Maggie vetoed MOD plan to bomb mainland Argentina because Reagan would have none of it

So then, Maggie vetoed it, as I assume Reagan had no veto to wield.

[Wadeski]

so...we have enough there to scare the argies off.

but for internet keyboard warriors playing South Atlantic Risk, we dont have enough useles 1960s tech that looks good on top trumps?

[IanMorewood]

Wadeski said:

but for internet keyboard warriors playing South Atlantic Risk, we dont have enough useles 1960s tech that looks good on top trumps?

Whilst I mourn the passing of our only remaining FAA fixed wing aircraft and the capability that it provided I don’t think its likely use would have been in the South Atlantic. I just don’t see a scenario where Argentina would want to risk the military humiliation of trying and possibly failing to take back something that given time and negotiation they will probably end up with a share of anyway.

Of course if we where trying to retake the Falklands after giving it to the Argies then we would have to wait until Queen Liz is ready and we would have to buy/lease some F/A18’s or similar (the French would love to sell us some Rafales, it would make a huge deal of sense too for when we sell (or give) them Big Ears (perhaps we could do a swap deal)).

[Starfighter]

s2art said:

Corsair7 said:

The Typoon force is only as good as the current rules of engagement allow them to be. I would suspect that in peace time, you'd have to get permission to open fire in triplicate signed in blood and authorised directly from the prime minister.

No doubt if thirty Argie planes came over the horizon and started launching attacks, then the local commander would be able to make the appropriate decision. But if thats not the scenario, lets say its one transport plane thats declaring an emergency, needs assitance, is someone going to be able to 'take it out' before it gets to the only servicable runway..... I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...

(ps, Mount pleasant being re-surfaced currently too....)

http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/30/falklands-mpa-...

A good few hours wouldnt be enough. In any case how are the troop transport ships from Argentina going to get past the subs?

With ease. UK subs have no anti-air capability short of surfacing and using Stingers from the casing.

[Fume troll]

Starfighter said:

s2art said:

Corsair7 said:

The Typoon force is only as good as the current rules of engagement allow them to be. I would suspect that in peace time, you'd have to get permission to open fire in triplicate signed in blood and authorised directly from the prime minister.

No doubt if thirty Argie planes came over the horizon and started launching attacks, then the local commander would be able to make the appropriate decision. But if thats not the scenario, lets say its one transport plane thats declaring an emergency, needs assitance, is someone going to be able to 'take it out' before it gets to the only servicable runway..... I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...

(ps, Mount pleasant being re-surfaced currently too....)

http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/30/falklands-mpa-...

A good few hours wouldnt be enough. In any case how are the troop transport ships from Argentina going to get past the subs?

With ease. UK subs have no anti-air capability short of surfacing and using Stingers from the casing.

You wouldn't need more than a few hours of air superiority to stick a lot more holes in the runways.

I agree, all extremely unlikely, but strategy and tactics are fun to think about.

Cheers,

FT.

[thatone1967]

Corsair7 said:

I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...



FT.

Surely in a situation like this, a jcb could be suitably employed to push the burning wreckage off the runway, quick runway inspection, and runway could be open within the hour?

[LeeME3]

thatone1967 said:

Corsair7 said:

I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...



FT.

Surely in a situation like this, a jcb could be suitably employed to push the burning wreckage off the runway, quick runway inspection, and runway could be open within the hour?

And we have BDR (Battle Damage Repair) teams trained to do exactly that. Along with reinforced matting that can be laid over the craters.

[Castrol Craig]

LeeME3 said:

thatone1967 said:

Corsair7 said:

I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...



FT.

Surely in a situation like this, a jcb could be suitably employed to push the burning wreckage off the runway, quick runway inspection, and runway could be open within the hour?

And we have BDR (Battle Damage Repair) teams trained to do exactly that. Along with reinforced matting that can be laid over the craters.

not forgetting the fact that our rapiers are very adept at shooting things out of the sky nowadays.


any non freindly aircraft wouldnt get within decent range before it was sitting on the bottom of the ocean in a thousand shattered peices

Edited by Castrol Craig on Friday 17th December 13:28

[s2art]

Starfighter said:

s2art said:

Corsair7 said:

The Typoon force is only as good as the current rules of engagement allow them to be. I would suspect that in peace time, you'd have to get permission to open fire in triplicate signed in blood and authorised directly from the prime minister.

No doubt if thirty Argie planes came over the horizon and started launching attacks, then the local commander would be able to make the appropriate decision. But if thats not the scenario, lets say its one transport plane thats declaring an emergency, needs assitance, is someone going to be able to 'take it out' before it gets to the only servicable runway..... I dont now how wide Mount Pleasant runway is, but I bet if you parked a burning transport in the middlle of it you'd have trouble launching Typoons fo ra good few hours - all that would be needed in affect...

(ps, Mount pleasant being re-surfaced currently too....)

http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/30/falklands-mpa-...

A good few hours wouldnt be enough. In any case how are the troop transport ships from Argentina going to get past the subs?

With ease. UK subs have no anti-air capability short of surfacing and using Stingers from the casing.

So how are the Argentinian troops going to get to the Falklands?

[IanMorewood]

Typhoon requires a minimum 300 meter take off run to get airborne (in a light AA configuration), considering the runway at Mount Pleasant is over a mile long (8500 feet) even if you dumped an airliner in the middle of it onfire you should still be able to operate whilst its cleared away.

[Ayahuasca]

Argie submarine to the Falklands coast, deploys Zodiac rubber dinghy with Argie SF, SF sneak with [insert man packed missile of choice] to Mt Pleasant, Argie airforce mounts diversion, Typhoons scrambled, Argie SF fires missiles, bang bang bang.