Best not wear trousers in future then....

Best not wear trousers in future then....

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jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
Eh? Might have deserved it? Looked at him funny probably. Yep, that will be it. In a male dominated society I would wager its man being OTT.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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jmorgan said:
Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
Eh? Might have deserved it? Looked at him funny probably. Yep, that will be it. In a male dominated society I would wager its man being OTT.
Or, she could have stolen the trousers!

BliarOut

72,857 posts

240 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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Sheeda Pistol said:
jmorgan said:
Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
Eh? Might have deserved it? Looked at him funny probably. Yep, that will be it. In a male dominated society I would wager its man being OTT.
Or, she could have stolen the trousers!
Or they were loud trousers being worn after the hours of darkness...

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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BliarOut said:
Sheeda Pistol said:
jmorgan said:
Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
Eh? Might have deserved it? Looked at him funny probably. Yep, that will be it. In a male dominated society I would wager its man being OTT.
Or, she could have stolen the trousers!
Or they were loud trousers being worn after the hours of darkness...
Maybe copper wanted to see her legs... was pissed off he could not and thought right then.

Bill

52,830 posts

256 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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tinman0 said:
Bill said:
Willie Dee said:
Bing o said:
Coming to Luton soon.
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It's Easyjet policy now.

Can't read the link, anyone care to give me a summary?
Sudanese cop beating an old dear because she was wearing trousers.
I've had a look, cheers. Which article did you read btw? The one in the OP makes it clear they don't know the offence committed, and I'm not sure she's that old.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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BliarOut said:
Sheeda Pistol said:
jmorgan said:
Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
Eh? Might have deserved it? Looked at him funny probably. Yep, that will be it. In a male dominated society I would wager its man being OTT.
Or, she could have stolen the trousers!
Or they were loud trousers being worn after the hours of darkness...
Heard of loud shirts. Had many my self but come on, trousers? Just not done....

TEKNOPUG

18,973 posts

206 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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They are hosting the 2030 World Cup, right?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
They are hosting the 2030 World Cup, right?
Don't know, we won't be going there anyway!

Kermit power

28,679 posts

214 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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jmorgan said:
Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
Eh? Might have deserved it? Looked at him funny probably. Yep, that will be it. In a male dominated society I would wager its man being OTT.
Can you categorically say she didn't deserve it, without knowing what she did to incur it?

I can't, but then that's because I can envisage plenty of offences for which I wouldn't think twice about using corporal punishment in sentencing.

If she suffered this for somehow offending an imaginary friend, not being quick enough to stump up bribe money or something equally wrong, then it's not deserved. If it's for plunging a baby into a vat of boiling water because it pissed on her sofa, then whip away and don't spare the elbow grease.

Without knowing what she did, I can't decide if she deserved it.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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Kermit power said:
Can you categorically say she didn't deserve it, without knowing what she did to incur it?

I can't, but then that's because I can envisage plenty of offences for which I wouldn't think twice about using corporal punishment in sentencing.

If she suffered this for somehow offending an imaginary friend, not being quick enough to stump up bribe money or something equally wrong, then it's not deserved. If it's for plunging a baby into a vat of boiling water because it pissed on her sofa, then whip away and don't spare the elbow grease.

Without knowing what she did, I can't decide if she deserved it.
Within the laws and usual occurrences of that country? No. Until the full details are out I cannot but my money is on abuse. Maybe I am wrong.

zcacogp

11,239 posts

245 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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Sheeda Pistol said:
Maybe copper wanted to see her legs... was pissed off he could not and thought right then.
Ah yes, of course it was that!

And that's a very good reason for flogging someone in public!

rolleyes


Oli.


anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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zcacogp said:
Sheeda Pistol said:
Maybe copper wanted to see her legs... was pissed off he could not and thought right then.
Ah yes, of course it was that!

And that's a very good reason for flogging someone in public!

rolleyes


Oli.
I never said that, maybe there was nowhere private to flog her rolleyes

BliarOut

72,857 posts

240 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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It's not known as the third world for nothing...

Team 17

623 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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zcacogp said:
Sheeda Pistol said:
Maybe copper wanted to see her legs... was pissed off he could not and thought right then.
Ah yes, of course it was that!

And that's a very good reason for flogging someone in public!

rolleyes


Oli.
I feel the 'Whoosh!' parrot picture coming on...


Westy Pre-Lit

Original Poster:

5,087 posts

204 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
quotequote all
Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
If you watch the video it says she was being beaten for wearing trousers under her dress wink ....that'll teach her next time. I could quite happily whip the smile off the laughing turd in the clip though.


Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Thursday 16th December 14:31

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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Westy Pre-Lit said:
Kermit power said:
Flintstone said:
Kermit power said:
And yet just look at the number of people on here baying for similar treatment for people who mug grannies or rape children.
So wearing trousers is on par with granny bashers and paedophiles? Want to re-think that one?
Want to rethink not actually reading the article before you comment? You know, the one where it says she was wearing a dress, and where it also says the offence she is supposed to have committed is unknown?

Once you've rethought that, maybe you'd like to rethink quoting people out of context? As in the bit where I was responding to Asterix's belief that nobody should ever be treated in that way under any circumstances?

We don't know what this woman is supposed to have done, and without that, I can't make a judgement on whether or not the punishment is deserved, unlike Asterix who can, if he feels that this punishment would be undeserved regardless of the offence.

It may well not be deserved - at least by Western standards if not Sudanese ones - but that doesn't in my view mean this sort of punishment is never deserved.
If you watch the video it says she was being beaten for wearing trousers under her dress wink ....that'll teach her next time. I could quite happily whip the smile off the laughing turd in the clip though.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 16th December 14:31
I told you he wanted to see her legs!

Mark34bn

826 posts

178 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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Poster on Sun website said

It's their cultural identity, it should be left alone instead of constantly contaminating it with Western ideologies and ways of life. Which means no food relief, financial and medical aid or refugees should be allowed in order to maintain that culture's integrity...

Exactly, can't have it both ways.....


Bill

52,830 posts

256 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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Westy Pre-Lit said:
If you watch the video it says she was being beaten for wearing trousers under her dress
So one report says we don't know why, another says she was wearing trousers under dress:shrugs:

We spent 10 days or so travelling in Sudan a few years ago and SWMBO wore trousers everywhere. Guess we were just lucky then.

IMO the policeman is a bullying tt, but it doesn't look to me like he's laying into her.

colonel c

7,890 posts

240 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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More on this story:

Sudan Tribune said:
December 14, 2010 (KHARTOUM) – Over forty protesters mostly women were arrested Tuesday by the Sudanese authorities following a peaceful demonstration staged to protest against brutal flogging of a young woman by the police.

The protest took place after the widespread circulation of a video showing a laughing police officer whipping the woman. The video is posted on YouTube but also several Arab channels broadcasted some extracts where blue-uniformed policemen take turns to whip her across her head, legs and feet.
The state security officers arrested 46 women and six men today at about 11.30 am in central Khartoum near the ministry of justice while they were taking part in a demonstration organized by the "No to Women’s Oppression Coalition".
The angered women wanted to deliver a protest letter to the minister of justice calling for the abolition of the "Public Order Regime". A number of laws and legal dispositions prohibit mixing of unmarried couples also ban women wearing of pants or any other indecent dress in public places. The criminalized acts are punishable by fines or lashes.
The organizers said Police permission had been granted for the demonstration. However the police charged them with "civil disobedience" and undermining the work of police officers before releasing them later.
Plain clothes security officers kicked a BBC correspondent to the floor who was trying to report about the protest and seized his equipment.
Sudanese officials defended the whipping of women saying it is provided for in the Sharia, Islamic law, but said they were probing the way the flogging was implemented.
Commenting on the protest, Khartoum governor Abdel-Rahman Al-Khidir warned in a statement to the Blue Nile TV that his government "will not allow anyone to exploit this for political ends."

Mr_B

10,480 posts

244 months

Thursday 16th December 2010
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"under laws brought in in 1991". Some of these places seem to literally want to stone themselves back into the stone age with their Islamic laws. Evolution seems to be in reverse in the Middle East.