Genuine question: PM's salary

[Landlord]

So, y'know the Prime Minister gets paid £140k or so... does he actually have to buy/pay for anything? I mean, who pays to heat No 10, water, council tax etc. Does Ocado have to deliver once a week?

Just curious!

[ralphrj]

10 Downing Street is a Government building so the costs of running it and maintaining it will met by the state. I expect that the apartment in No. 10 is a "grace and favour" apartment so the PM won't be paying rent on it. I don't think that would extend to the Ocado delivery though so CMD would have to pay for that.

Re: the Prime Ministerial Salary

The PM is entitled to a salary of 133k in addition to his salary as an MP of 66k but often takes less. In 2001 the cabinet voted to take the full salary available to the PM and Ministers and continued to do so only forgoing the annual increases in 2008 and 2009 due to the recession.

CMD made a manifesto pledge to reduce the PM and ministerial salaries by 5% on entering office. In the final days of Gordon Brown's government, when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

[Tycho]

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

[mrmaggit]

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

I said on here over two years ago that GB was operating a scorched earth policy, nobody believed me.

And guess what is now becoming apparent?

[Busa_Rush]

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

Just look what he did to the rest of us !

[Bing o]

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

fk the multi-millionaire Camoron, it's the rest of the country that suffered!

[ralphrj]

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

It is laugable. The impact of the cut had no effect whatsoever on Brown (might not even have made it into his final payslip) let alone his pension but will cost CMD personally 250k over the course of this parliament plus the knock on impact on his pension. I know CMD isn't short of the odd quid but to me it sums New Labour up in one act.. "I'll line my pockets but you can go fk yourself".

Actual Salaries:
CMD 142,500
Cabinet Ministers 134,565
Ed Milliband 139,355

[fadeaway]

Bing o said:

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

fk the multi-millionaire Camoron, it's the rest of the country that suffered!

I fail to see how anyone else in the country could possibly have suffered from this other than, erm, the new PM.

[DS3R]

142k to run the country-

so how the fk do 172 Civil Servants earn more than this???

http://data.gov.uk/dataset/uk-civil-service-high-e...

[pugwash4x4]

DS3R said:

142k to run the country-

so how the fk do 172 Civil Servants earn more than this???

http://data.gov.uk/dataset/uk-civil-service-high-e...

indeed tis is what scares me the most

out most senios elected servant is paid les tahn a large number of largely unaccountable, and impossibl to remove civil servants

The previous 50 years have seen the labour party v the conservatives with the labour party supporting the working man at any cost, and the conservatives supporting everyone else. Will the next 50 years be signified by the struggle between large invasive government and small government forcing personal responsbility?

[Tycho]

Bing o said:

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

fk the multi-millionaire Camoron, it's the rest of the country that suffered!

It's not about the money but the act itself that is tttish.

[Busa_Rush]

DS3R said:

142k to run the country-

so how the fk do 172 Civil Servants earn more than this???

http://data.gov.uk/dataset/uk-civil-service-high-e...

Some of them seem quite reasonable. A number of them are quangos which should be deleted, as a couple already have been.

I think politicians salaries should be doubled and the rules modified to prevent them taking on any second jobs, consultancies, directorships etc both whilst they are an MP or working for the Government and for a period of 7 years afterwards.

Failure to adhere to this rule should have an automatic short prison sentence ( 6 months ?) and bankruptcy. That will force them to at least be honest in some areas of their lives and not enable the state to be screwed after they've been voted out.

[CommanderJameson]

Busa_Rush said:

I think politicians salaries should be doubled and the rules modified to prevent them taking on any second jobs, consultancies, directorships etc both whilst they are an MP or working for the Government and for a period of 7 years afterwards.

Failure to adhere to this rule should have an automatic short prison sentence ( 6 months ?) and bankruptcy. That will force them to at least be honest in some areas of their lives and not enable the state to be screwed after they've been voted out.

I like this idea.

I like it a lot.

[OneDs]

Busa_Rush said:

DS3R said:

142k to run the country-

so how the fk do 172 Civil Servants earn more than this???

http://data.gov.uk/dataset/uk-civil-service-high-e...

Some of them seem quite reasonable. A number of them are quangos which should be deleted, as a couple already have been.

I think politicians salaries should be doubled and the rules modified to prevent them taking on any second jobs, consultancies, directorships etc both whilst they are an MP or working for the Government and for a period of 7 years afterwards.

Failure to adhere to this rule should have an automatic short prison sentence ( 6 months ?) and bankruptcy. That will force them to at least be honest in some areas of their lives and not enable the state to be screwed after they've been voted out.

+1 that's a very good idea, incidentally the PM doesn't run the country, civil servants including the 172 paid more than him do, he and his chums just set the policies for the next five years, kind of like NEDs for a Private company.

His day job is actually to represent the people of his constituency, with a bumper fee on top for taking on the PM role.

Edited by OneDs on Tuesday 21st December 13:16

[DS3R]

Busa_Rush said:

Some of them seem quite reasonable.

Which highlights the lunacy of paying someone LESS to run the whole country...

Busa_Rush said:

A number of them are quangos which should be deleted, as a couple already have been.

Indeed, but some departments are notable by their absence- the NAO for example.

[Sonic]

Tycho said:

Bing o said:

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

fk the multi-millionaire Camoron, it's the rest of the country that suffered!

It's not about the money but the act itself that is tttish.

What a complete GB is.

[Bing o]

Sonic said:

Tycho said:

Bing o said:

Tycho said:

ralphrj said:

when defeat was obvious to everyone, GB unilaterally reduced the PM's salary to 150k. CMD had to either take a much lower salary than anticipated of be accused of breaking a manifesto pledge. This is why the current PM receives only slightly more than other cabinet ministers who in turn are paid less than Ed Milliband, leader of the Oppostion.

What a vindictive GB is....

fk the multi-millionaire Camoron, it's the rest of the country that suffered!

It's not about the money but the act itself that is tttish.

What a complete GB is.

This sums it up nicely...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmI4BNA6vsg&fea...

[crankedup]

So what makes any person in the Country want to be a front bench politician, the salary is not exactly enticing is it. Most of the front bencher's seem to age by ten years every two years and they know that they are 'not admired' by the general public. It only leaves the power and glory followed up by a ghost written book in 5/10 years time with after dinner speeches. Seems like asking a manicurist to pull out your nails with pliers.

[markcoznottz]

crankedup said:

So what makes any person in the Country want to be a front bench politician, the salary is not exactly enticing is it. Most of the front bencher's seem to age by ten years every two years and they know that they are 'not admired' by the general public. It only leaves the power and glory followed up by a ghost written book in 5/10 years time with after dinner speeches. Seems like asking a manicurist to pull out your nails with pliers.

Most of them are chancers that couldnt make a bean in the 'real world'. Compared to most working people they still earn a very large salary. Dont forget the fringe benefits, exspenses etc ,worth it also for the indexed linked pension, which is more like a gold plated promise to maintain a future standard of living, insulated from the financial sh*tstorm they in part created.