Same Sex Parenting - For it or against it?
Poll: Same Sex Parenting - For it or against it?
Total Members Polled: 482
Discussion
Prompted by this exchange in the Elton John thread, I thought a poll was in order.
No need to comment, just vote.
ks. It's wrong, wrong, wrong, and it should be banned by statute. "Oh, but what about their human rights", I hear some tree-hugger say. Well, for me, it's quite simple.
It's variously claimed that homosexuality is either nature or nurture. There is a straightforward response to either hypothesis.
1. Nature. If it's nature, if they "can't help it", then that's tough on them. But it still doesn't give them the right to become parents, rich or not. If I had been born blind, I couldn't become a long-distance lorry driver because I would lack the fundamental biology. Equally, two gay blokes lack a womb. Therefore they cannot have children.
2. Nurture. Nurture can be considered a choice. You can't have your cake and eat it. If you select an un-natural life, you naturally forfeit some of the natural parts of life. Including conception.
It's just fking wrong, plain and simple.Blimey.
What a truly repellent viewpoint.Repellent to you maybe; not to the majority of "normal" people I would say.
No need to comment, just vote.
P_J_R said:
Justayellowbadge said:
C8PPO said:
deeps said:
Lol V88Dicky, you're a bit out of date mate, he divorced Renata in 1988! His partner is now David, so the kid will be brought up by 2 dads and no mum. I don't think that's right (as in not fair on the kid), but what I think doesn't matter a jot obviously lol.
It's more than "not right" IMO. Yes, I realise that what I'm about to say will unleash the hounds, but I feel very strongly about this "same sex parent" bks. It's wrong, wrong, wrong, and it should be banned by statute. "Oh, but what about their human rights", I hear some tree-hugger say. Well, for me, it's quite simple.It's variously claimed that homosexuality is either nature or nurture. There is a straightforward response to either hypothesis.
1. Nature. If it's nature, if they "can't help it", then that's tough on them. But it still doesn't give them the right to become parents, rich or not. If I had been born blind, I couldn't become a long-distance lorry driver because I would lack the fundamental biology. Equally, two gay blokes lack a womb. Therefore they cannot have children.
2. Nurture. Nurture can be considered a choice. You can't have your cake and eat it. If you select an un-natural life, you naturally forfeit some of the natural parts of life. Including conception.
It's just f
king wrong, plain and simple.What a truly repellent viewpoint.
It all comes down to whether they are good parents or not. It doesn't matter about sex\sexual orientation\colour\religion or whether they are obsessed with star trek.
There will inevitably be some bullying however when the kid gets to school, as kids will always pick on someone who stands out.
There will inevitably be some bullying however when the kid gets to school, as kids will always pick on someone who stands out.
Bluequay said:
It all comes down to whether they are good parents or not. It doesn't matter about sex\sexual orientation\colour\religion or whether they are obsessed with star trek.
Exactly - there are plenty of crap heterosexual parents out there. It makes far more sense to worry about the quality of parenting than the gender of the parents.Bluequay said:
It all comes down to whether they are good parents or not. It doesn't matter about sex\sexual orientation\colour\religion or whether they are obsessed with star trek.
There will inevitably be some bullying however when the kid gets to school, as kids will always pick on someone who stands out.
Well, he doesn't have to dress like his dad. There will inevitably be some bullying however when the kid gets to school, as kids will always pick on someone who stands out.
I agree... sexuality doesn't define a parent, but I clicked "I don't care" as it doesn't really affect me. A minor point for me is that it is a shame they created a new person rather than adopt an orphan. If I couldn't have kids naturally, I'd adopt. In fact, I did consider it for 30 seconds last year (sensibly, ie a 10 year old son... rather than say adopting an 18 year old Swedish au pair... but I don't think my lifestyle is suitable for bringing up children yet).
ShadownINja said:
A minor point for me is that it is a shame they created a new person rather than adopt an orphan.
Yeah I did wonder why they went down that route. The only explanation I could think of was purely down to speed.It was probably quicker to have a child through surrogacy than go through a formal adoption process. Also surrogacy means one of them is related to the child.
Marf said:
ShadownINja said:
A minor point for me is that it is a shame they created a new person rather than adopt an orphan.
Yeah I did wonder why they went down that route. The only explanation I could think of was purely down to speed.It was probably quicker to have a child through surrogacy than go through a formal adoption process. Also surrogacy means one of them is related to the child.
Justayellowbadge said:
Marf said:
ShadownINja said:
A minor point for me is that it is a shame they created a new person rather than adopt an orphan.
Yeah I did wonder why they went down that route. The only explanation I could think of was purely down to speed.It was probably quicker to have a child through surrogacy than go through a formal adoption process. Also surrogacy means one of them is related to the child.
Adoption? Ab-so-fking-lutely.
Surrogacy? Yes, why not?
Wrong? How is it so wrong? A lot of kids grow up with only one parent, so surely two is better than one?
People need to learn to progress, 40 years ago there was be opposition to interracial relationships/parenting. People will get over themselves.
I for one hope my sister and her life partner can have the kids she always wanted.
king-lutely.Surrogacy? Yes, why not?
Wrong? How is it so wrong? A lot of kids grow up with only one parent, so surely two is better than one?
People need to learn to progress, 40 years ago there was be opposition to interracial relationships/parenting. People will get over themselves.
I for one hope my sister and her life partner can have the kids she always wanted.
I haven't voted as I'm not really sure.
One of my very best friends, someone who I've known like a Brother for 25 years is gay and recently got married. They would genuinely make excellent parents, however I'm really not whether I'd agree with adoption or surrogacy in their situation. However much I accept their sexuality (and I genuinely do) I still think that it's unnatural and maybe a little unfair on the child when it grows up and undoubtably gets bullied because of it. Maybe that's a society issue, but I don't think society is actually ready for it.
One of my very best friends, someone who I've known like a Brother for 25 years is gay and recently got married. They would genuinely make excellent parents, however I'm really not whether I'd agree with adoption or surrogacy in their situation. However much I accept their sexuality (and I genuinely do) I still think that it's unnatural and maybe a little unfair on the child when it grows up and undoubtably gets bullied because of it. Maybe that's a society issue, but I don't think society is actually ready for it.
I'm amused at those who oppose same sex parenting, -as if letting the bummers bring up kids will ruin our national high standards. Probably the same people who feel the need to sympathise with Jordan and Kerry Katona and their latest self-inflicted family train wreck.
Elton, if you're reading this, (assuming you spend a bit of time in the MX-5 sub forum)... -whilst I'd rather incur a spinal injury than attend one of your concerts, I wish you all the best in your paternal endeavours.
Elton, if you're reading this, (assuming you spend a bit of time in the MX-5 sub forum)... -whilst I'd rather incur a spinal injury than attend one of your concerts, I wish you all the best in your paternal endeavours.
sleep envy said:
I love the use of the term 'normal'
it's such a comfort blanket to those that feel the need, through their own insecurities, to distance themselves from those who don't fit into their little boxes
Ah sorry, I'm guilty of using the N word; must be a bit out of touch. Always thought children should be the result of a loving relationship between a man and a woman; not a couple of old queens using a turkey baster it's such a comfort blanket to those that feel the need, through their own insecurities, to distance themselves from those who don't fit into their little boxes
P_J_R said:
sleep envy said:
I love the use of the term 'normal'
it's such a comfort blanket to those that feel the need, through their own insecurities, to distance themselves from those who don't fit into their little boxes
Ah sorry, I'm guilty of using the N word; must be a bit out of touch. Always thought children should be the result of a loving relationship between a man and a woman; not a couple of old queens using a turkey baster it's such a comfort blanket to those that feel the need, through their own insecurities, to distance themselves from those who don't fit into their little boxes
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