Same Sex Parenting - For it or against it?

[C8PPO]

thinfourth2 said:

Lets look at the case of baby P. Now tell me the sex of the parents is more important then them being utter tts

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Marf]

rb5230 said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

rb5230 said:

So you dont mind if they tell you about the state of their boyfriends asshole after they buggered it silly last night?

seriously, you think about this WAY too much

bit suspicious if you ask me

Well i have heard plenty of banter at times from straight friends about how they annihilated their Mrs last night, had a 3sum butterflying some bird etc etc.

Now if i heard that from a guy about a guy i think i would probably be sick, and would certainly be wondering why i am hanging around with gays.

One more try

Marf said:

rb5230 said:

Im not into "gay friends" (even if they are called Big Willie or whatever) purely because i dont want to inadvertantly end up in their wk bank

Would you cease to be friends with someone if they came out as gay, and you had previously always thought they were straight?

[turbobloke]

ZesPak said:

Wow the results of this poll actually really disappoint me, I thought this was a place with sensible people, but these are actually the same people that wouldn't let white women interfere with black men? And their children, no matter how loved, would be devil-spawn?

Blimey.

With nearly a quarter of a million members, a vote on a general topic on PH is only ever going to reflect society at large these days, even if there was once an enlightened car enthusiast base it's been diluted significantly. There are even people on here who believe in manmade global warming ffs, how deluded can you get?!

[anonymous-user]

rb5230 said:

Now if i heard that from a guy about a guy i think i would probably be sick, and would certainly be wondering why i am hanging around with gays.

If you are actually serious and not trolling, then quite frankly you make me sick

[Marf]

turbobloke said:

ZesPak said:

Wow the results of this poll actually really disappoint me, I thought this was a place with sensible people, but these are actually the same people that wouldn't let white women interfere with black men? And their children, no matter how loved, would be devil-spawn?

Blimey.

With nearly a quarter of a million members, a vote on a general topic on PH is only ever going to reflect society at large these days,

Pffft give over, PH reflecting society? It's far more right wing than most of society, politics polls/discussions make that pretty obvious.

As such the poll results don't really surprise me.

Edited by Marf on Wednesday 29th December 15:10

[captainzep]

Hooli said:

Not really. Btw your last sentence should read It must be nice to be that sure of your self that you can have views & not being bullied by a small vocal minority of society into changing them.

Edited by Hooli on Wednesday 29th December 14:52

• You're being pretty vocal.

• You're not being bullied.

• There's no evidence to suggest that stridently anti-gay views are held by the majority.

• I think your assertion that anti-gay people feel they have to stay quiet is the same as being worried that someone cleverer than you is going to make a logical counter-argument which you struggle to rebuke on the grounds of intellectual capacity.

[rb5230]

Marf said:

Would you cease to be friends with someone if they came out as gay, and you had previously always thought they were straight?

I think we would probably grow apart.

Only reason i know this as it has happened to 2 friends of mine, and they dont really see those friend anymore.

1 of the reasons being: why would you still want to be friends with someone who has been lying to you for years?

[ZesPak]

turbobloke said:

... There are even people on here who believe in manmade global warming ffs...

Who let them in?

[Marf]

rb5230 said:

Marf said:

Would you cease to be friends with someone if they came out as gay, and you had previously always thought they were straight?

I think we would probably grow apart.

Only reason i know this as it has happened to 2 friends of mine, and they dont really see those friend anymore.

1 of the reasons being: why would you still want to be friends with someone who has been lying to you for years?

Wow. Just wow.

FRom reading your posts I can tell you have no empathy, nor the ability to look beyond your own mindset to attempt understand why someone might choose to hide their sexuality.

Seems to me that it's opinions like this

rb5230 said:

1 of the reasons being: why would you still want to be friends with someone who has been lying to you for years?

that would cause someone to lie to you for years. Perhaps fear of losing what someone might consider to be a good friend would be enough to lie to them.

Edited by Marf on Wednesday 29th December 15:13

[Manee]

quite surprised at the poll at the mo...

[sleep envy]

rb5230 said:

Marf said:

Would you cease to be friends with someone if they came out as gay, and you had previously always thought they were straight?

I think we would probably grow apart.

Only reason i know this as it has happened to 2 friends of mine, and they dont really see those friend anymore.

1 of the reasons being: why would you still want to be friends with someone who has been lying to you for years?

stunning, we don't even have to prompt you

[rb5230]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Why thank you, and you make me sick too, luckily we live in a society where everyone is allowed their own opinion, and looking at the poll it would seem you are in the minority.

[ZesPak]

Manee said:

quite surprised at the poll at the mo...

Although the "I don't care" are actually in the not-against camp, so that does skew the results a little.

[DocJock]

rb5320, nobody is trying to force you to change your opinion.

Most are expressing incredulity at your justifications for your opinions, such as these quoted below.

rb5230 said:

Im not into "gay friends" (even if they are called Big Willie or whatever) purely because i dont want to inadvertantly end up in their wk bank

rb5320 said:

would not fancy going to a club and them pulling a guy or indeed talking to me about their sexual exploits. The thought of it kind of freaks me out a bit.

rb5320 said:

I suppose you don`t mind if it`s your image they pleasure themselves over, but then i suppose you will never know for sure if they do or not unless they tell you they do.

rb5320 said:

So you dont mind if they tell you about the state of their boyfriends asshole after they buggered it silly last night?

These quotes reveal a staggering level of ignorance, seriously.
If you think that is how people behave, either your thought processes are very scary or you have a very fertile imagination.

Edited by DocJock on Wednesday 29th December 15:21

[Hooli]

captainzep said:

• There's no evidence to suggest that stridently anti-gay views are held by the majority.

• I think your assertion that anti-gay people feel they have to stay quiet is the same as being worried that someone cleverer than you is going to make a logical counter-argument which you struggle to rebuke on the grounds of intellectual capacity.

I can't be bothered with most of this argument today, I've got a busy evening moving into the gf's place so I don't have time for it either.

However taking those two points, for the first see the poll. For the second look how people on the thread react when anyone dares to say they don't agree with gays.


EDIT: Oh & just to add. There are too many damn people in the world already so I don't agree with fertility treatment/surrogacy etc, just adopt an abandoned sprog. Kids are all the same anyway, it's just how they are trained that matters.

Edited by Hooli on Wednesday 29th December 15:22

[turbobloke]

Marf said:

turbobloke said:

ZesPak said:

Wow the results of this poll actually really disappoint me, I thought this was a place with sensible people, but these are actually the same people that wouldn't let white women interfere with black men? And their children, no matter how loved, would be devil-spawn?

Blimey.

With nearly a quarter of a million members, a vote on a general topic on PH is only ever going to reflect society at large these days,

Pffft give over, PH reflecting society? It's far more right wing than most of society, politics polls/discussions make that pretty obvious.

As such the poll results don't really surprise me.

The poll doesn't surprise me either but for a different reason which is that I still hold to the idea that in general people are overall conservative with a small c. A somewhat youthful, car enthusiast site with an IT professional bias might have voted differently but that's not PH these days.

The general election result with nulab's fiddled boundaries and figurehead voting doesn't necessarily show the majority policy politics of the public at large or of this site's membership.

[Manee]

ZesPak said:

Manee said:

quite surprised at the poll at the mo...

Although the "I don't care" are actually in the not-against camp, so that does skew the results a little.

but if that option wasnt there

it could go either way really. i would've thought more people would've been pro than against

[Marf]

turbobloke said:

Marf said:

turbobloke said:

ZesPak said:

Wow the results of this poll actually really disappoint me, I thought this was a place with sensible people, but these are actually the same people that wouldn't let white women interfere with black men? And their children, no matter how loved, would be devil-spawn?

Blimey.

With nearly a quarter of a million members, a vote on a general topic on PH is only ever going to reflect society at large these days,

Pffft give over, PH reflecting society? It's far more right wing than most of society, politics polls/discussions make that pretty obvious.

As such the poll results don't really surprise me.

The poll doesn't surprise me either but for a different reason which is that I still hold to the idea that in general people are overall conservative with a small c. A somewhat youthful, car enthusiast site with an IT professional bias might have voted differently but that's not PH these days.

The general election result with nulab's fiddled boundaries and figurehead voting doesn't necessarily show the majority policy politics of the public at large or of this site's membership.

True enough TB, true enough.

Edited by Marf on Wednesday 29th December 15:25

[rb5230]

sleep envy said:

stunning, we don't even have to prompt you

The prompt was 2nd post down, but in your infinite wisdom you must have overlooked that.

[sleep envy]

not quite but would you like me to point out the obvious to you?