Same Sex Parenting - For it or against it?
Poll: Same Sex Parenting - For it or against it?
Total Members Polled: 482
Discussion
I struggle to understand the concept of wishing to spread your genes, i.e. procrastination, with being gay.
If as a gay you are not turned on by women, then you are in effect turning your back on the natural urge to evolve your line. Of course the same is true for both sexes.
Nature has a method for us to evolve which involves getting down and dirty with the opposite sex.
All gays know that the act of bumming or rug munching is not going to result in creation of new life and therefore are carrying out that act for purely pleasure purposes.
I couldn't give a stuff about the arguments of being wired wrong or whatever but that is a fact.
They of course have the right to do that in their own privacy but by doing so give up the natural right to raise their own offspring.
To me the same sex parenting b
ks that goes on is often akin to having a child for trophy purposes and I imagine there is not one person on this board that would agree with allowing that principle.
It can be compared with a tart getting herself up the duff to ensure her social security benefits are safe and sound.
On the other hand if they accept themselves for what they are, and have a thought that they would like to give a less fortunate child a better future than they otherwise would have by adoption, then the case should be judged on the merits of benefits over disadvantages. In particularly ensuring it is not being done for the above trophy purposes.
If as a gay you are not turned on by women, then you are in effect turning your back on the natural urge to evolve your line. Of course the same is true for both sexes.
Nature has a method for us to evolve which involves getting down and dirty with the opposite sex.
All gays know that the act of bumming or rug munching is not going to result in creation of new life and therefore are carrying out that act for purely pleasure purposes.
I couldn't give a stuff about the arguments of being wired wrong or whatever but that is a fact.
They of course have the right to do that in their own privacy but by doing so give up the natural right to raise their own offspring.
To me the same sex parenting b
ks that goes on is often akin to having a child for trophy purposes and I imagine there is not one person on this board that would agree with allowing that principle. It can be compared with a tart getting herself up the duff to ensure her social security benefits are safe and sound.
On the other hand if they accept themselves for what they are, and have a thought that they would like to give a less fortunate child a better future than they otherwise would have by adoption, then the case should be judged on the merits of benefits over disadvantages. In particularly ensuring it is not being done for the above trophy purposes.
Hooli said:
I can't be bothered with most of this argument today, I've got a busy evening moving into the gf's place so I don't have time for it either.
st. If I'd known how inconvenient this was for you I'd never have posted. I just get a bit carried away. Y'know. Boxes of CDs and stuff eh? Hassle.Hooli said:
However taking those two points, for the first see the poll. For the second look how people on the thread react when anyone dares to say they don't agree with gays.
Oh yeah, the poll. -Can't argue with science. Hooli said:
Kids are all the same anyway, it's just how they are trained that matters.
No further questions your Honour.
sleep envy said:
not quite but would you like me to point out the obvious to you?
That you are all in the minority and i am the only person in here to post in the last 2 pages for the majority?Dont worry i can see the statistics speak for themselves but for one reason or another (probably so as not to upset the lefties) i am the only poster left to speak against the minority view. Dont worry im off out now so you can have your victory in posting on this but unfortunately probably not in the poll.
MOTORVATOR said:
If as a gay you are not turned on by women, then you are in effect turning your back on the natural urge to evolve your line. Of course the same is true for both sexes.
Surely the very fact that homosexual men and woman want to have children flies in the face of this theory?Of course you can try and explain it away as wanting trophy children, but that just seems a bit empty and weak to me.
I transferred to Sussex police after some time in London. It came as a surprise to come across so many gays but after a while you don't notice it. They are, quite remarkably, just like people. Eventually it doesn't even cross your mind whether they are or they aren't. Why should it matter?
There are different kinds of gays just the same as there are different kinds of heterosexuals. There are sluts and there are those in (fairly) monogamous relationships in both.
There was more anti-gay feeling amongst the police in London, despite the scarcity of those who were obviously gay compared to Brighton.
Frankie Boyle summarised it well. He said he'd have loved to have had a gay dad. In the school playground when another kid said his father could beat his, he would have said: My father can fk your father. And d'you know what? Your father would enjoy it.
There are different kinds of gays just the same as there are different kinds of heterosexuals. There are sluts and there are those in (fairly) monogamous relationships in both.
There was more anti-gay feeling amongst the police in London, despite the scarcity of those who were obviously gay compared to Brighton.
Frankie Boyle summarised it well. He said he'd have loved to have had a gay dad. In the school playground when another kid said his father could beat his, he would have said: My father can f
k your father. And d'you know what? Your father would enjoy it.rb5230 said:
sleep envy said:
not quite but would you like me to point out the obvious to you?
That you are all in the minority and i am the only person in here to post in the last 2 pages for the majority?Dont worry i can see the statistics speak for themselves but for one reason or another (probably so as not to upset the lefties) i am the only poster left to speak against the minority view. Dont worry im off out now so you can have your victory in posting on this but unfortunately probably not in the poll.
I couldn't give a monkey's about who's in the majority/minority and a poll on PH even less
the point is, the majority of your posts have been pure ignorance without anyone having to set you up - you did it all on your own, well done!
tbh if you did end up losing a friend who came out of the closet I doubt he'd be too saddened that you would't be around to enrich his life
el stovey said:
Isn't the poll about same sex parents?
You're banging on about gay people talking about bumming and if they might want to shag you.
You can think being gay is fine but not think same sex parents are OK.
My original post was about feeling sorry for the child of this unnatural situation, i suppose if you had read the thread you would have seen that. It then got turned to thoughts about gays by other posters.You're banging on about gay people talking about bumming and if they might want to shag you.
You can think being gay is fine but not think same sex parents are OK.
Marf said:
MOTORVATOR said:
If as a gay you are not turned on by women, then you are in effect turning your back on the natural urge to evolve your line. Of course the same is true for both sexes.
Surely the very fact that homosexual men and woman want to have children flies in the face of this theory?Of course you can try and explain it away as wanting trophy children, but that just seems a bit empty and weak to me.
I want a load of money so I should be allowed to rob a bank as opposed to work for it?
Or want in the form of a natural urge to procreate?
To me the act of wanting children is one that comes from my natural wishes to extend my family.
You cannot convince me that if you are willing to turn your back on natures manner of procreation you still have the same 'want' as a heterosexual.
Magic919 said:
MOTORVATOR said:
I struggle to understand the concept of wishing to spread your genes, i.e. procrastination, with being gay.
I was putting off quoting this, but I can put it off no longer.MOTORVATOR said:
All gays know that the act of bumming or rug munching is not going to result in creation of new life and therefore are carrying out that act for purely pleasure purposes.
Mr Motorvator may have uncovered something vital that we were all missing. Eye for detail this chap. sharpfocus said:
Magic919 said:
MOTORVATOR said:
I struggle to understand the concept of wishing to spread your genes, i.e. procrastination, with being gay.
I was putting off quoting this, but I can put it off no longer.
ds, you know what I meant to type.Anyway all gays are putting off the inevitable anyway. They are a dying species.
MOTORVATOR said:
Marf said:
MOTORVATOR said:
If as a gay you are not turned on by women, then you are in effect turning your back on the natural urge to evolve your line. Of course the same is true for both sexes.
Surely the very fact that homosexual men and woman want to have children flies in the face of this theory?Of course you can try and explain it away as wanting trophy children, but that just seems a bit empty and weak to me.
MOTORVATOR said:
I want a load of money so I should be allowed to rob a bank as opposed to work for it?
Gays adopting kids/using surrogates is not illegal. Robbing banks is. Your analogy is faulty.Just because someone fancies the same sex, why should that preclude their natural need to procreate?
I'm not sure that anyone can convince anyone of that, its something that you feel, surely?
Also, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, but the way you word things seems to indicate you feel homosexuality is a choice?
MOTORVATOR said:
You cannot convince me that if you are willing to turn your back on natures manner of procreation you still have the same 'want' as a heterosexual.
Edited by Marf on Wednesday 29th December 16:04
MOTORVATOR said:
On the other hand if they accept themselves for what they are, and have a thought that they would like to give a less fortunate child a better future than they otherwise would have by adoption, then the case should be judged on the merits of benefits over disadvantages. In particularly ensuring it is not being done for the above trophy purposes.
^^^ there you go, right thereThe real Apache said:
MOTORVATOR said:
On the other hand if they accept themselves for what they are, and have a thought that they would like to give a less fortunate child a better future than they otherwise would have by adoption, then the case should be judged on the merits of benefits over disadvantages. In particularly ensuring it is not being done for the above trophy purposes.
^^^ there you go, right thereManee said:
ZesPak said:
Manee said:
quite surprised at the poll at the mo...
Although the "I don't care" are actually in the not-against camp, so that does skew the results a little.
it could go either way really. i would've thought more people would've been pro than against
I know it must be upsetting for some to veiw these results, but to criticise somebody for using the word "normal".......
Accept the results and don't always be shocked when other people have different opinions to you. That is allowed.
Just take consolation this poll wasn't on a relig forum
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