Rant: social engineering and its failings.
Discussion
A friend of mine came down to visit his parents this christmas, while he was down he had his glasses, mobile phone and a bag containing his babys travelling stuff stolen from his car.
Not unusual except the stuff was stolen while he was unloading the children from the car, in his parents driveway, a long driveway that leads to a nice open space on their property right outside the front door. his wife went in with the eldest and he took the smallest in and went back to get bags etc and lock the car, in the 30 seconds he was indoors a person who was lurking in the bushes drinking special brew stole the above items and ran away, incidentally leaving the half drunk special brew on the car roof.
Now, what has this got to do with social engineering I hear you ask ? Well, My friends Parents used to live in the middle of no-where with farmland all around, they had worked all their lives and had a lovely house in a nice area with a couple of other neighbours of similar ethics, all in all a good reward for a life spent wisely.
Except the local council had other ideas and built a damn great big housing estate for chavs, single mothers and drug addicts in the fields next door, the council actually puts the troubled "families" in this estate and recieves money from other councils to take problem people from inner cities.
The result is that the retired professional people who worked all their lives and paid into the system are under seige from drug addled criminal losers, the value has gone from their house and they being burgled almost weekly.
The Police are no use other than to issue yet another crime reference number and free victim pack with a pen in it, they have the Special brew can but said "we can see if there are fingerprints on it but to be honest that only tells us the person put the can on the car not that they stole your stuff".
Not unusual except the stuff was stolen while he was unloading the children from the car, in his parents driveway, a long driveway that leads to a nice open space on their property right outside the front door. his wife went in with the eldest and he took the smallest in and went back to get bags etc and lock the car, in the 30 seconds he was indoors a person who was lurking in the bushes drinking special brew stole the above items and ran away, incidentally leaving the half drunk special brew on the car roof.
Now, what has this got to do with social engineering I hear you ask ? Well, My friends Parents used to live in the middle of no-where with farmland all around, they had worked all their lives and had a lovely house in a nice area with a couple of other neighbours of similar ethics, all in all a good reward for a life spent wisely.
Except the local council had other ideas and built a damn great big housing estate for chavs, single mothers and drug addicts in the fields next door, the council actually puts the troubled "families" in this estate and recieves money from other councils to take problem people from inner cities.
The result is that the retired professional people who worked all their lives and paid into the system are under seige from drug addled criminal losers, the value has gone from their house and they being burgled almost weekly.
The Police are no use other than to issue yet another crime reference number and free victim pack with a pen in it, they have the Special brew can but said "we can see if there are fingerprints on it but to be honest that only tells us the person put the can on the car not that they stole your stuff".
Edited by Getragdogleg on Wednesday 29th December 16:05
payner2008 said:
I think that your assumption that everyone who lives on a council estate is a drug taking, property burgling, chav piece of scum is slightly narrow minded.
The fact that your friend had his stuff stolen is still s
t though.
Ok, one or two might be ok. The estate is known locally for being ver bad though.The fact that your friend had his stuff stolen is still s
t though. The other estates locally are ok, one is actually very nice indeed.
And I base my opinions on events and evidence, no narrow-mindedness here, just observation, local knowledge and reliable information as to council proceedure regarding troubled family relocation.
I have trouble with lazy f
king morons claiming money from the state and all the while theiving as well while those who have done ok for themselves and lived good lives doing no harm to others get stiffed.Getragdogleg said:
payner2008 said:
I think that your assumption that everyone who lives on a council estate is a drug taking, property burgling, chav piece of scum is slightly narrow minded.
The fact that your friend had his stuff stolen is still st though.
Ok, one or two might be ok. The estate is known locally for being ver bad though.The fact that your friend had his stuff stolen is still s
t though. The other estates locally are ok, one is actually very nice indeed.
And I base my opinions on events and evidence, no narrow-mindedness here, just observation, local knowledge and reliable information as to council proceedure regarding troubled family relocation.
I have trouble with lazy f
king morons claiming money from the state and all the while theiving as well while those who have done ok for themselves and lived good lives doing no harm to others get stiffed.king stand bone idle laziness.I went to citizens advice a couple of weeks ago to seek help as my partner is about to have our first baby. I've always worked and dont earn huge amounts. The 'advice' i was given was give up work and start claiming. Therefore i would probably be better off. There is no way on earth im giving up my job.
It seems to pay well to do f
k all nowadays.Sounds about right.
There is a woman locally who was in the papers just before Christmas who would have to earn over £30.000 a year in a job to be better off than she is on benefits.
Great.
I mean i don't blame her for going with the easy option but the bloody easy option should not exist.
Benefits should be a safety net if you fall on hard times not a fking hammock for lazy tts to lounge around in.
My personal pride would stop me taking the easy way, I am sure working gives you pride or a sense of being that is missing when you just take free money, I wonder if the jobless have more trouble with low self esteem and that is why drugs and alchohol feature so heavily in their lives.
There is a woman locally who was in the papers just before Christmas who would have to earn over £30.000 a year in a job to be better off than she is on benefits.
Great.
I mean i don't blame her for going with the easy option but the bloody easy option should not exist.
Benefits should be a safety net if you fall on hard times not a f
king hammock for lazy tts to lounge around in.My personal pride would stop me taking the easy way, I am sure working gives you pride or a sense of being that is missing when you just take free money, I wonder if the jobless have more trouble with low self esteem and that is why drugs and alchohol feature so heavily in their lives.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Wednesday 29th December 16:49
Getragdogleg said:
Sounds about right.
There is a woman locally who was in the papers just before Christmas who would have to earn over £30.000 a year in a job to be better off that she is on benefits.
Great.
I mean i don't blame her for going with the easy option but the bloody easy option should not exist.
Benefits should be a safety net if you all on hard times not a fking hammock for lazy tts to lounge around in.
My personal pride would stop me taking the easy way, I am sure working gives you pride or a sense of being that is missing when you just take free money, I wonder if the jobless have more trouble with low self esteem and that is why drugs and alchohol feature so heavily in their lives.
I think they probably do. If i ever take more than a week off work i find myself dying with boredom and i would think being off work for much longer than that i would be insane. There is a woman locally who was in the papers just before Christmas who would have to earn over £30.000 a year in a job to be better off that she is on benefits.
Great.
I mean i don't blame her for going with the easy option but the bloody easy option should not exist.
Benefits should be a safety net if you all on hard times not a f
king hammock for lazy tts to lounge around in.My personal pride would stop me taking the easy way, I am sure working gives you pride or a sense of being that is missing when you just take free money, I wonder if the jobless have more trouble with low self esteem and that is why drugs and alchohol feature so heavily in their lives.
I find it difficult to stomach bacause as much as i try to make ends meet for me and my family (very soon to be anyway) and i know i am going to struggle. I am very much on the same boat as you though as personal pride sets in and i want to set an example to my offspring that to get anything in life it must be earnt.
I wouldnt exactly be setting a very encouraging example if i was sat on my arse drinking tins whilst my child is growing up.
Edited by payner2008 on Wednesday 29th December 16:57
Getragdogleg said:
The result is that the retired professional people who worked all their lives and paid into the system are under seige from drug addled criminal losers, the value has gone from their house and they being burgled almost weekly.
... and they left their car unattended for 30 seconds ?If the situation is as you describe, I'd be a lot more
proactive about looking after my goods and chattels.
AND I'd be pestering the local coppers, newspapers and
my MP every time I got burgled until the situation was
sorted.
No point paying taxes and not getting the paid for service.
They work for you, remember.
My previous next door neighbour's son was an absolute lout at the age of 16/17, even had spouts in a young offenders, although this recent visit seems to have knocks the lout out of him and he's even gone and got a job and is socially anyway a nicer person, now he's suddenly got to look after himself all of a sudden.
dcb said:
... and they left their car unattended for 30 seconds ?
Well my mate doesn't live there anymore, it's his parents house but its up a long drive and in the middle of their own property which is about 1/2 and acre in size, this is the first time a car being unloaded has been targetted, its normally breakins while the old couple go to the shops.The t
t who did this was waiting in the bushes, watching for an opportunity, that in itself is creepy.30 seconds to remove a child froma car and take it 20 feet to the house and put it in the porc, say hello to your mum and turn round and go back to the car is not normally worth locking a car for, now I suppose they will have to either watch the car while unloading or just lock/unlock ad-infinitum while they unload all the family tat on their own land.
Jasandjules said:
Until we can shoot anyone trespassing on our property, this kind of crime will continue. Can they not get a pair of big dogs? Let them loose in the grounds and put up warning signs. People won't be drinking their cheap booze in your garden after that.
Very true, until there is the threat of a reaction to a criminal action then we are pissing in the wind.Social inclusion and free money aint working i want to see social structure, and retribution for crimes.
Live within societys rules or f
k off and die.But i want the rules to be sensible and attainable, I dont want endless "30mph on dual carriagways money traps" and "we are fining you for not filling out paperwork" sort of rules.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Wednesday 29th December 18:22
Pupp said:
Getragdogleg said:
the council actually puts the troubled "families" in this estate and recieves money from other councils to take problem people from inner cities.
Care to evidence that particular assertion?Its locally well known, Treneere Estate gets these families and so does Roscadghill Estate, Interestingly Treneere is one of the countries worst estates in terms of crime, drugs and other problems.
rover 623gsi said:
eight million people in the UK live in social housing
JAT
Which shows how much they need to cut it back.JAT
Not long ago I met a woman who worked in social housing. I asked her if she thought there were too many places available as 8 million seems a very big number.
Her:
What about young people living in pretty villages, we urgently need to build council estates in little villages otherwise where will they live?
Me:
What about the existing estates in nearby larger towns? These are just a few miles away and on a bus route.
Her:
But what about being near to your family, obviously I wouldn't understand the close ties in a small village but if I did then it would be obvious that a 20 year old young man couldn't possibly live in the next town, so far far away from his mum, brothers and sisters.
Me:
Surely that must be a very low priority? It isn't that far away and there doesn't seem to be anything urgent about the case?
Her:
Everyone should be allowed to live in a state paid for house anywhere they want, rural social housing is urgently needed to ensure this, you can't expect young people to have to travel to visit their relatives and friends, they have a right to stay in their home village.
That is the attitude we need to get rid of.
Good luck.
We've had a few new housing estates go up in the local area, yes they're the same cardboard boxes with no character but at the same time priced so that you'd need someone in a good job or two people in reasonable employment to afford one.
In the last couple the local council have said that in order to obtain planning then each new estate had to have some provision for social housing. These new estates have many more complaints than the slightly older ones that didn't require such provision.
In the last couple the local council have said that in order to obtain planning then each new estate had to have some provision for social housing. These new estates have many more complaints than the slightly older ones that didn't require such provision.
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