Olympic recruiting racism?

[Derek Smith]

zcacogp said:

Isn't ethnicity a case of what you 'perceive' yourself to be? Ergo, it would be quite possible for a caucasian person to deem themselves to be black or asian, and hence tick a (very desirable) 'minority' box.

Oli.

You can call yourself whatever race you want to be. There is no test that can say which race you are or are not.

[Globs]

Parrot of Doom said:

Globs said:

Parrot of Doom said:

There's no racism there, the blurb quite clearly states that such information will have no bearing on their decision whether or not to employ a person.

That's right, it will have no bearing on anything.

They still want to know your race and your sexual habits and preferences though.






Just out of interest you understand. Curious strangers want to know.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the word demographics.

Or rather fascism.

[rypt]

Engineer1 said:

No because when Winston applies what group would you assume they where a member of?

British of East Asian ancestry

[Parrot of Doom]

Globs said:

Parrot of Doom said:

Globs said:

Parrot of Doom said:

There's no racism there, the blurb quite clearly states that such information will have no bearing on their decision whether or not to employ a person.

That's right, it will have no bearing on anything.

They still want to know your race and your sexual habits and preferences though.






Just out of interest you understand. Curious strangers want to know.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the word demographics.

Or rather fascism.

I see, so the fact that a company is building a statistical analysis of Olympic employees means they're fascists. Will they be waging war on someone? The annual Tiddlywinks championships, perhaps?

[Globs]

POD:

It you are fine with unaccountable authorities and private companies gathering details about your race and sexual preferences that's great.

I feel the spirit of the Racism laws are to make race irrelevant, not to demand the details, study the demographics in great detail and make a big deal about it. If race is not important for a job than it is 'none of their fking business'.

Do you see now?

[BliarOut]

Derek Smith said:

zcacogp said:

Isn't ethnicity a case of what you 'perceive' yourself to be? Ergo, it would be quite possible for a caucasian person to deem themselves to be black or asian, and hence tick a (very desirable) 'minority' box.

Oli.

You can call yourself whatever race you want to be. There is no test that can say which race you are or are not.

I'd just tick it, it would be interesting to see what they could do. Surely it's racist to stop you ticking a box just because you don't happen to be non-white?

TBH the whole racial discrimination thing is just a massive joke these days.

[Parrot of Doom]

Globs said:

POD:

It you are fine with unaccountable authorities and private companies gathering details about your race and sexual preferences that's great.

I feel the spirit of the Racism laws are to make race irrelevant, not to demand the details, study the demographics in great detail and make a big deal about it. If race is not important for a job than it is 'none of their fking business'.

Do you see now?

I couldn't care less who knows about my race, or my sexual preferences. If you look at the questions in the original post those questions are voluntary—hardly a "demand", or a "big deal". You're quite entitled therefore to tell them that those details are none of their business.

So what are you moaning about?

[dandarez]

Parrot of Doom said:

Globs said:

POD:

It you are fine with unaccountable authorities and private companies gathering details about your race and sexual preferences that's great.

I feel the spirit of the Racism laws are to make race irrelevant, not to demand the details, study the demographics in great detail and make a big deal about it. If race is not important for a job than it is 'none of their fking business'.

Do you see now?

I couldn't care less who knows about my race, or my sexual preferences. If you look at the questions in the original post those questions are voluntary—hardly a "demand", or a "big deal". You're quite entitled therefore to tell them that those details are none of their business.

So what are you moaning about?

You tell 'em your intimate details then!
If they are voluntary, why bother in the first place? Because if you ignore or fail to respond to those questions, or as you say, tell 'em that the details are none of their business, you'll HAVE 'ticked' a certain box in their eyes.
Understand now?

[Engineer1]

Look it is seriously simple if they collect the data they can prove that all minorities applied, if they don't collect the data they can't prove the minorities applied. Especially as the applications are likely to be anonymised prior to the initial CV sift.

[Parrot of Doom]

dandarez said:

You tell 'em your intimate details then!
If they are voluntary, why bother in the first place? Because if you ignore or fail to respond to those questions, or as you say, tell 'em that the details are none of their business, you'll HAVE 'ticked' a certain box in their eyes.
Understand now?

Why would I tell them anything, I'm not going to apply for a job? Why people wish to collect such data has already been explained, but please feel free to continue with your paranoid theories, they're quite entertaining.

[12gauge]

Parrot of Doom said:

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the word demographics.

What about it?

[12gauge]

zcacogp said:

Isn't ethnicity a case of what you 'perceive' yourself to be? Ergo, it would be quite possible for a caucasian person to deem themselves to be black or asian, and hence tick a (very desirable) 'minority' box.

A bit like the fact that white people that look like Cilla Black or Mick Hucknall who simply live in caravans call themselves 'Roma' and recieve all the fawning from authorities and media luvvies that goes with it.

Its been used and abused since the beginning of time. Hitler had the cut off point for jews as 1/16th, the yanks had the one drop rule. If you believe that we all came from Africa, we've all got one drop i guess. Personally given that whites, particularly anglo saxon whites are a dieing minority race, i think we should get preferential treatment, like the polar bears, but thats just me.

[deeps]

This thread reminds me of the BBC who massively favour ethnic minority job applicants, how do they get away with blatent racism like that? I can imagine that once it gets a foothold it rapidly becomes a snowball effect.

[mph1977]

paddyhasneeds said:

Sticks. said:

armynick said:

I was astounded when I read this on the London Olympic website recruiting page. Why bring the subject up at all? Just treat all applicants as equal and then see what they can offer in the way of qualifications and experience. The best person for the job gets it.

Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?

They monitor it so that they can demonstrate afterward that they weren't biased in any respect, or excluding people because of colour, race, disability etc, that's all.

Surely if you want to be truly unbiased you simply wouldn't ask though?

the problem then arises that you cannot defend any accusations

where if you have the data and the data shows say 5 or 6 % of appointable applications were whatever minority group and 5 point summat percent of the people you appoint are in the minority it shows that there isn't a particualr bias one way or another , and that despite the population overall being a greater or lesser proportion belonging to the minority - you've been fair in making your appointments

[rypt]

deeps said:

how do they get away with blatent racism like that?

It's not racist if it's against the whites

[thehawk]

Surely it's an open admittance that Blacks, Asians and any other minority are inferior to white people and need assistance to get similar jobs?

[Scraggles]

thehawk said:

Surely it's an open admittance that Blacks, Asians and any other minority are inferior to white people and need assistance to get similar jobs?

+1

But to openly admit as such is racist allaegedly

[Engineer1]

FFS when ever I have filled a form in like that page 1 has your details and a serial number and is usually single sided and removable. The subsequent pages all have the serial number, the equal opportunities bit is also usually removable and has the serial number.

The applicant sort takes place with anonymous forms, so they can prove the selection process was fair. If they had names or addresses they could guess things about candidates that could open them up to accusations of bias.

The reason they have to collect this sort of data is because people have made a reasonable living out of applying for a job multiple times using the same cv but changing their sex or ethnicity, if Jane gets an interview and Mohammed doesn't when they both have the same CV then the company is racist. If the company can prove that they didnt give the person performing the sift any personal information then they can prove it was luck not racism or sexism.

[V88Dicky]

When they say 'under-represented', do they mean that the ethnic minorities in sport are the same percentage, or less, as the ethnics in the overall population?

Or do they want to 'over-represent' them?

[HoHoHo]

Maybe we should ask the organisers if we could have more white runners in the 100m final as I think there are far too many black runners in that race.

Or maybe, it's just because generally black guys are much better at running than white guys?