Riots at HMP Ford

[sinizter]

Ari said:

Yup, according to a governor it apparently it would be impossible to stop alcohol being smuggled in.

TO A PRISON!!!

FFS.

It's an open prison where the prisoners are allowed to walk around free. Some of them even have jobs in the nearby town, etc.

It would be pretty hard to stop it being smuggled in without beefing up staff and security measures significantly.

[madcyril]

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

[Eric Mc]

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

That bad - huh?

[madcyril]

Eric Mc said:

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

That bad - huh?

all i could smell was dope from the cells

[Chris_H]

madcyril said:

Eric Mc said:

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

That bad - huh?

all i could smell was dope from the cells

There aren't any cells at Ford (or any open prisons)

Edited by Chris_H on Sunday 2nd January 12:46

[whoami]

Chris_H said:

madcyril said:

Eric Mc said:

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

That bad - huh?

all i could smell was dope from the cells

There aren't any cells at Ford (or any open prisons)

Edited by Chris_H on Sunday 2nd January 12:46

Well, not any more

[Lost soul]

TVR Moneypit said:

Lost soul said:

Eric Mc said:

Lost soul said:

I dont know what all the fuss is about let them all burn , they are no good to society anyway

What - all of them?

Don't forget, Ford is for minor offenders and low risk prisoners.

To get into prison today you need to have some kind of record , so let them burn

Idiot.

I've known several over the years that have done bird for first time offences.

Liberals like you are a part of the problem

[FishFace]

Lost soul said:

TVR Moneypit said:

Lost soul said:

Eric Mc said:

Lost soul said:

I dont know what all the fuss is about let them all burn , they are no good to society anyway

What - all of them?

Don't forget, Ford is for minor offenders and low risk prisoners.

To get into prison today you need to have some kind of record , so let them burn

Idiot.

I've known several over the years that have done bird for first time offences.

Liberals like you are a part of the problem

So you're 'liberal' because you don't want people to burn to death?

[Athlon]

Latest News: Riot at Ford Prison. Inmates had a Fiesta for New Year, lost Focus and then scored some Ghia. There was a police Escort but I believe some of the foreign prisoners wanted to see their Consuls who were on holiday in Capri, a Popular resort.

[Eric Mc]

madcyril said:

Eric Mc said:

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

That bad - huh?

all i could smell was dope from the cells

Sounds more like a Pontins to me.

[Eric Mc]

Athlon said:

Latest News: Riot at Ford Prison. Inmates had a Fiesta for New Year, lost Focus and then scored some Ghia. There was a police Escort but I believe some of the foreign prisoners wanted to see their Consuls who were on holiday in Capri, a Popular resort.

I'm surprised some of the prisoners haven't been shifted to Anglia (East, of course).

[matchmaker]

Ari said:

Yup, according to a governor it apparently it would be impossible to stop alcohol being smuggled in.

TO A PRISON!!!

FFS.

Wimps. We brewed our own

[Willie Dee]

Lost soul said:

TVR Moneypit said:

Lost soul said:

Eric Mc said:

Lost soul said:

I dont know what all the fuss is about let them all burn , they are no good to society anyway

What - all of them?

Don't forget, Ford is for minor offenders and low risk prisoners.

To get into prison today you need to have some kind of record , so let them burn

Idiot.

I've known several over the years that have done bird for first time offences.

Liberals like you are a part of the problem

Yes, liberals are part of the problem, just like when they wanted women to be voting and then black people to have equal rights to whites, what ever do they want next, equal rights for Homosexuals?!?!?

[madcyril]

whoami said:

Chris_H said:

madcyril said:

Eric Mc said:

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

That bad - huh?

all i could smell was dope from the cells

There aren't any cells at Ford (or any open prisons)

Edited by Chris_H on Sunday 2nd January 12:46

Well, not any more

well rooms then

[johnxjsc1985]

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

They have a much better staff to inmate ratio at Butlins maybe they could take the running of it over.

[Tallbut Buxomly]

I have commented on these issues before. I am very involved in various areas of government and spend a lot of time at all the prisons.

The simple fact is that Ford is very much like butlins in the way it is laid out and run. However it is a pre release prison and inmates have nothing to gain from rioting or causing trouble and everything to lose hence the low staffing level.
There are also other factors at play reg how the prisons are run locally and by the gov.

Sadly in this situation as has been said it sounds like it was being used for overflow with inmates who really should not have been outside of cat c prisons. It is these inmates who caused trouble.

Some would say that places like ford are bad. I disagree.
They help prepare inmates for release by allowing them to get jobs which then gets them a wage so that when they get out they can get decent accommodation easier etc.
It also teaches them to respect the rules and gives them respect back. Its not perfect and it will fail from time to time.

However its either this or just letting them out of prison where they have no freedom and are not expected to in any way prove they are ready to be let out into the public again.

[Tallbut Buxomly]

madcyril said:

Eric Mc said:

madcyril said:

i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins

That bad - huh?

all i could smell was dope from the cells

Interesting. I have spent a lot of time in these places and have never smelt any dope??

[FourWheelDrift]

I really wouldn't be surprised if it turned out the Unions were behind it.

[whoami]

WhoseGeneration said:

whoami said:

Surely there is a happy medium between having 2 members of staff to control hundreds of criminals and having "intervention squads" on standby?

No, there is not.
The only "control" ability a PO has, as standard, is to appeal to an inmate to behave in an acceptable manner or go on report.
POs are, no doubt, trained in how to determine when a situation is getting out of hand but probably not to the depth a psychologist will be.
Perhaps we should have 24 hours monitoring of all wings in prisons by psychologists?
You then have to consider the responsibility of the Prison Service to it's employees, it cannot expect them to enter any situation without the necessary equipment to deal with it.
It's the many laws covering this that determine response.
Force, even in a prison riot, has to be appropriate.
The Courts, considering legislation in place, are the final arbiters.

Edited by WhoseGeneration on Saturday 1st January 23:26

As expected

[Tallbut Buxomly]

WhoseGeneration said:

Jasandjules said:

I never understand how these situations are allowed to get this far out of control.

You'd want the added costs of "intervention squads" on permanent standby, at every establishment, to render that impossible.
It's down to numbers and how quickly a situation can escalate, especially if there's planning behind it.

There are standby squads! They are known as reported in the article as Tornado teams that are sent in from other local and regional prisons.