Riots at HMP Ford
Discussion
WhoseGeneration said:
whoami said:
Maybe we should just have 2 staff at all prisons then?
Yup, one on the "in" gate, one on the "out" gate.All problems solved.
I'm just trying to explain the complexities involved here.
johnxjsc1985 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I really wouldn't be surprised if it turned out the Unions were behind it.
It seems all self interest groups including midwives are using the media to say how desperately difficult the staffing situation is and they couldn't possible deal with anymore cuts.Tallbut Buxomly said:
The simple fact is that Ford is very much like butlins in the way it is laid out and run. However it is a pre release prison and inmates have nothing to gain from rioting or causing trouble and everything to lose hence the low staffing level.
Thats why we hould not be sad about a few of them being roasted , they are scrotes and of no use to us HTH
Slightly OT, but I just saw that Brocket character on the TV news whittering about chavs being uncontrollable. Has he redeemed himself by serving his time and not murdering his fellow contestants on 'I'm a Celebrity, pay me money to eat bugs', or, as I feel, he's still an irredeemable 
for chopping up some rare Ferraris and faking some others.
for chopping up some rare Ferraris and faking some others.Typically open prisons should be populated with a combination of long term prisoners in the last years of their sentence, being gradually reintroduced into society, and genuinely low-risk offenders who are not considered any risk.
Sadly, for the past few years, they've actually been used as spare capacity for Cat B/C prisoners serving the last few weeks of their sentences. These prisoners would not typically be suitable for Cat D and, seeming they're close to release (usually within 6-8 weeks or so), they see Cat D as a jolly where they can misbehave in a way they couldn't in Cat B/C conditions. They have to seriousl misbehave in Cat D to be transferred back into B/C.
My experience of Wealstun D (which is now being converted to a C to match the prison next door), was that it functioned very well for prisoners who were genuine Cat Ds, but ceased to function properly when trying to deal with large groups of Cat B/C level prisoners. The facilities, regime and staffing were not setup to cope with the extra demands.
What I hope happens from the incident in Ford, is that the blame is laid on the wrong type of prisoners being in the facility, than the facility itself taking the flack, as the prison system needs this type of facility to house the prisoners it's designed for.
Sadly, for the past few years, they've actually been used as spare capacity for Cat B/C prisoners serving the last few weeks of their sentences. These prisoners would not typically be suitable for Cat D and, seeming they're close to release (usually within 6-8 weeks or so), they see Cat D as a jolly where they can misbehave in a way they couldn't in Cat B/C conditions. They have to seriousl misbehave in Cat D to be transferred back into B/C.
My experience of Wealstun D (which is now being converted to a C to match the prison next door), was that it functioned very well for prisoners who were genuine Cat Ds, but ceased to function properly when trying to deal with large groups of Cat B/C level prisoners. The facilities, regime and staffing were not setup to cope with the extra demands.
What I hope happens from the incident in Ford, is that the blame is laid on the wrong type of prisoners being in the facility, than the facility itself taking the flack, as the prison system needs this type of facility to house the prisoners it's designed for.
10 Pence Short said:
Typically open prisons should be populated with a combination of long term prisoners in the last years of their sentence, being gradually reintroduced into society, and genuinely low-risk offenders who are not considered any risk.
Sadly, for the past few years, they've actually been used as spare capacity for Cat B/C prisoners serving the last few weeks of their sentences. These prisoners would not typically be suitable for Cat D and, seeming they're close to release (usually within 6-8 weeks or so), they see Cat D as a jolly where they can misbehave in a way they couldn't in Cat B/C conditions. They have to seriousl misbehave in Cat D to be transferred back into B/C.
My experience of Wealstun D (which is now being converted to a C to match the prison next door), was that it functioned very well for prisoners who were genuine Cat Ds, but ceased to function properly when trying to deal with large groups of Cat B/C level prisoners. The facilities, regime and staffing were not setup to cope with the extra demands.
What I hope happens from the incident in Ford, is that the blame is laid on the wrong type of prisoners being in the facility, than the facility itself taking the flack, as the prison system needs this type of facility to house the prisoners it's designed for.
HAHASadly, for the past few years, they've actually been used as spare capacity for Cat B/C prisoners serving the last few weeks of their sentences. These prisoners would not typically be suitable for Cat D and, seeming they're close to release (usually within 6-8 weeks or so), they see Cat D as a jolly where they can misbehave in a way they couldn't in Cat B/C conditions. They have to seriousl misbehave in Cat D to be transferred back into B/C.
My experience of Wealstun D (which is now being converted to a C to match the prison next door), was that it functioned very well for prisoners who were genuine Cat Ds, but ceased to function properly when trying to deal with large groups of Cat B/C level prisoners. The facilities, regime and staffing were not setup to cope with the extra demands.
What I hope happens from the incident in Ford, is that the blame is laid on the wrong type of prisoners being in the facility, than the facility itself taking the flack, as the prison system needs this type of facility to house the prisoners it's designed for.
Puuurlease. You know better than that 10p. This is the prison system.
It will be blamed on the governor of the prison and the SO that evening who was meant to make sure he had enough staff on duty to cover the member who was off sick etc etc etc. It will definitely not be the governments fault in any way shape or form.
Much like Ashwell.
chimaeras said:
Nobody is giving a thought for TESCO Littlehampton they have lost a very valuable source of revenue.
They have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
Heard on the radio they make thier own alchohol by mixing together sugar bread and orange juice and leaving it somewhere warm for a month to fermentThey have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
car crazy said:
chimaeras said:
Nobody is giving a thought for TESCO Littlehampton they have lost a very valuable source of revenue.
They have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
Heard on the radio they make thier own alchohol by mixing together sugar bread and orange juice and leaving it somewhere warm for a month to fermentThey have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
Chris_H said:
car crazy said:
chimaeras said:
Nobody is giving a thought for TESCO Littlehampton they have lost a very valuable source of revenue.
They have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
Heard on the radio they make thier own alchohol by mixing together sugar bread and orange juice and leaving it somewhere warm for a month to fermentThey have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
I was offered some that was confiscated by a gov once. Opened the top and took a sniff and quite frankly NO.
I genuinely checked to see if i had lost nose hairs next time i went to the bog.
If nasa are looking for a new fuel source simply contact the inmates.
eldar said:
Not even in an alternative fantasy universe here in the uk.Tallbut Buxomly said:
eldar said:
Not even in an alternative fantasy universe here in the uk.Chris_H said:
car crazy said:
chimaeras said:
Nobody is giving a thought for TESCO Littlehampton they have lost a very valuable source of revenue.
They have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
Heard on the radio they make thier own alchohol by mixing together sugar bread and orange juice and leaving it somewhere warm for a month to fermentThey have lost all all the drink sales that were going into Ford Prison. I use the word Prison very losely !!
car crazy said:
Ex hmp Ford inmate on talksport yesterday, they make it because the ingredients are free from the canteen and it's loopy juice, a lot stronger than anything you can get in the shops
I wouldn't take too much notice of people who say they are ex inmates. There was one interviewed the night of the riot. He said he spent most of his time in Ford playing tennis. There are (and never have been) any tennis facilities in there. Just some attention seeker looking for his 15 minutes of fame.Chris_H said:
car crazy said:
Ex hmp Ford inmate on talksport yesterday, they make it because the ingredients are free from the canteen and it's loopy juice, a lot stronger than anything you can get in the shops
I wouldn't take too much notice of people who say they are ex inmates. There was one interviewed the night of the riot. He said he spent most of his time in Ford playing tennis. There are (and never have been) any tennis facilities in there. Just some attention seeker looking for his 15 minutes of fame.To get sent to prison - any prison - these days takes a very serious offence. I'm familiar with a couple of GBH cases where the assailant hospitalised a victim in an unprovoked attack and still didn't do one single day inside. On that basis I'm not too worried if a little rioting has frightened or harmed some of the other inmates - it won't be worse than whatever they did to get sent down.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
madcyril said:
Eric Mc said:
madcyril said:
i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins 
That bad - huh?More like Maplins?
Hope whomever was in charge of letting baddie prisoners mix with goodie prisoners gets fired, or reprimanded properly, but I doubt it.
Halb said:
Tallbut Buxomly said:
madcyril said:
Eric Mc said:
madcyril said:
i did some work at a open prison last year its like butlins
That bad - huh?More like Maplins?
Hope whomever was in charge of letting baddie prisoners mix with goodie prisoners gets fired, or reprimanded properly, but I doubt it.
There was the occassional dog raid in the 2 and a bit months I spent there, but only one lad on our wing got caught in possession.
10 Pence Short said:
In Wealstun, especially on Saturday evenings when the staffing levels were lower, the cell block absolutely stunk of skunk. Not just the faint whiff- it was obvious to anybody walking into the building that rather a lot of inmates were smoking it.
There was the occassional dog raid in the 2 and a bit months I spent there, but only one lad on our wing got caught in possession.
I don't understand why they risk it. All they need is a MDT and they could be looking at going back to closed conditions! I know it goes on at Ford as well. Lets face it, with only two screws and a handful of support staff covering a site of that size, they can pretty much do what they like as long as they can stand by their doors in the morning! However, as I said, therisk is always there of being called for a MDT.There was the occassional dog raid in the 2 and a bit months I spent there, but only one lad on our wing got caught in possession.
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