Another American shooting incident.

[Eric Mc]

thinfourth2 said:

Eric Mc said:

There is a big danger in the current rush to demonise politicians. Over the past few years, the media has essentially decided that politicians are liars, cheats, untrustworthy and no good. We all know that some politicians have been their own worst enemies and that some of them do fit into the sterotyped description.

But by holding them all up to be worthless parasites, we are actually giving a green light for headcases and weirdoes to rationalise attacks like this. It's not unique to the USA either. We had an MP here injured in a sword attack.

Dangerous times.

Yeah but voting results in a change of tie colour and fk all else. So maybe shooting them might work

That's the problem.

Might work in what way?

Idle silly talk like that (I hope it's idle and silly) is what plants seeds in the mind of the deranged.

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 9th January 09:20

[The Hypno-Toad]

The media doesn't really know what angle to take on this shooter.

Some of them are going with he's a commie who listed Das Kapital & The Communist Manifesto as his favourite books. Some of them are going with the "Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck told me to do it," theory.

WARNING!


Why its almost as if his motives are as confusing as possible! I wonder if he'd had any contact with the military recently? He recently tried to join the army, really.
If you believed this nonsense you might starting using the phrases MK Ultra and Manchurian Candidate.....

Wonder who she's pissed off.

[B Huey]

A very sad incident and no doubt there will be some in the US who think she got what she deserved.

[Eric Mc]

B Huey said:

A very sad incident and no doubt there will be some in the US who think she got what she deserved.

Which is utterly, utterly despairing - and a kick in the face for democracy.

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 9th January 09:41

[Rocksteadyeddie]

Eric Mc said:

B Huey said:

A very sad incident and no doubt there will be some in the US who think she got what she deserved.

Which is utterly, utterly despairing - and a kick in the face for democracy.

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 9th January 09:41

But as you highlighted above Eric, the media has demonised politicians making it even less of a "career" option for any sensible person.

You get the representation you deserve, as someone once said...

[Muntu]

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

He appears to be a Leftie. Favourite video is the burning of a US flag on his youtube account.

An astonishing view, the world's media have him down as a right wing crackpot and are blaming the rhetoric Palin has been spouting as a trigger point for the attack.

As discussed earlier, it is all conjecture at the moment, apart from the evidence available on his youtube page showing his favourite left wing reading material, and his favourite video of an American flag burning.

Trying to bring Palin into this as a factor in his action smacks of sheer desparation

[Bingone]

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

[thinfourth2]

Eric Mc said:

thinfourth2 said:

Eric Mc said:

There is a big danger in the current rush to demonise politicians. Over the past few years, the media has essentially decided that politicians are liars, cheats, untrustworthy and no good. We all know that some politicians have been their own worst enemies and that some of them do fit into the sterotyped description.

But by holding them all up to be worthless parasites, we are actually giving a green light for headcases and weirdoes to rationalise attacks like this. It's not unique to the USA either. We had an MP here injured in a sword attack.

Dangerous times.

Yeah but voting results in a change of tie colour and fk all else. So maybe shooting them might work

That's the problem.

Might work in what way?

Idle silly talk like that (I hope it's idle and silly) is what plants seeds in the mind of the deranged.

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 9th January 09:20

But everyone feels our version of democracy utterly ignores voters beyond a once every 5 year cross on a piece of paper.

If the fkers listened to us instead of chasing headlines and vote then we might not want to shoot the fkers

[B Huey]

Muntu said:

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

He appears to be a Leftie. Favourite video is the burning of a US flag on his youtube account.

An astonishing view, the world's media have him down as a right wing crackpot and are blaming the rhetoric Palin has been spouting as a trigger point for the attack.

As discussed earlier, it is all conjecture at the moment, apart from the evidence available on his youtube page showing his favourite left wing reading material, and his favourite video of an American flag burning.

Sorry, but what does this prove?

No one knows anything yet but you certainly appear to be barking up the wrong tree.

[Muntu]

B Huey said:

Muntu said:

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

He appears to be a Leftie. Favourite video is the burning of a US flag on his youtube account.

An astonishing view, the world's media have him down as a right wing crackpot and are blaming the rhetoric Palin has been spouting as a trigger point for the attack.

As discussed earlier, it is all conjecture at the moment, apart from the evidence available on his youtube page showing his favourite left wing reading material, and his favourite video of an American flag burning.

Sorry, but what does this prove?

No one knows anything yet but you certainly appear to be barking up the wrong tree.

It is his youtube page. At the moment it is the only definitive stuff available on him.

All the rest is conjecture. How would I be barking up the wrong tree by citing the above? What is the right tree then - oh, and no conjecture in your reply please

[Strawman]

Muntu said:

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

He appears to be a Leftie. Favourite video is the burning of a US flag on his youtube account.

An astonishing view, the world's media have him down as a right wing crackpot and are blaming the rhetoric Palin has been spouting as a trigger point for the attack.

As discussed earlier, it is all conjecture at the moment, apart from the evidence available on his youtube page showing his favourite left wing reading material, and his favourite video of an American flag burning.

By his reading material you presumably mean Mein Kampf, that famous left wing tome by Adolf Hitler. Rather than brand him Left wing as you seem keen to do, for whatever reason, wouldn't it be better to describe him as mentally unstable ?

Muntu said:

Trying to bring Palin into this as a factor in his action smacks of sheer desparation

Desperation I think you need to go back and consult your thesaurus again.

[B Huey]

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Well put.

[Eric Mc]

thinfourth2 said:

Eric Mc said:

thinfourth2 said:

Eric Mc said:

There is a big danger in the current rush to demonise politicians. Over the past few years, the media has essentially decided that politicians are liars, cheats, untrustworthy and no good. We all know that some politicians have been their own worst enemies and that some of them do fit into the sterotyped description.

But by holding them all up to be worthless parasites, we are actually giving a green light for headcases and weirdoes to rationalise attacks like this. It's not unique to the USA either. We had an MP here injured in a sword attack.

Dangerous times.

Yeah but voting results in a change of tie colour and fk all else. So maybe shooting them might work

That's the problem.

Might work in what way?

Idle silly talk like that (I hope it's idle and silly) is what plants seeds in the mind of the deranged.

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 9th January 09:20

But everyone feels our version of democracy utterly ignores voters beyond a once every 5 year cross on a piece of paper.

If the fkers listened to us instead of chasing headlines and vote then we might not want to shoot the fkers

So shooting them will change things for the better?

It's people like you that REALLY worry me.

[B Huey]

Muntu said:

B Huey said:

Muntu said:

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

He appears to be a Leftie. Favourite video is the burning of a US flag on his youtube account.

An astonishing view, the world's media have him down as a right wing crackpot and are blaming the rhetoric Palin has been spouting as a trigger point for the attack.

As discussed earlier, it is all conjecture at the moment, apart from the evidence available on his youtube page showing his favourite left wing reading material, and his favourite video of an American flag burning.

Sorry, but what does this prove?

No one knows anything yet but you certainly appear to be barking up the wrong tree.

It is his youtube page. At the moment it is the only definitive stuff available on him.

All the rest is conjecture. How would I be barking up the wrong tree by citing the above? What is the right tree then - oh, and no conjecture in your reply please

If he's leftie why did he shoot a democrat?

[Eric Mc]

I think he would have shot ANY Congressman/woman.

I wonder what the political leanings of the 9 year old child were?

[Muntu]

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

He appears to be a Leftie. Favourite video is the burning of a US flag on his youtube account.

An astonishing view, the world's media have him down as a right wing crackpot and are blaming the rhetoric Palin has been spouting as a trigger point for the attack.

As discussed earlier, it is all conjecture at the moment, apart from the evidence available on his youtube page showing his favourite left wing reading material, and his favourite video of an American flag burning.

By his reading material you presumably mean Mein Kampf, that famous left wing tome by Adolf Hitler. Rather than brand him Left wing as you seem keen to do, for whatever reason, wouldn't it be better to describe him as mentally unstable ?

The left wing thing was in response to a post on page 1. I think the communist manifesto supports my point. You have obviously read his list of reading material, but chose to ignore this book.
Yes, I agree he does appear to be mentally unstable.

Strawman said:

Muntu said:

Trying to bring Palin into this as a factor in his action smacks of sheer desparation

Desperation I think you need to go back and consult your thesaurus again.

You need to re-read your dictionary on this one

[thinfourth2]

Eric Mc said:

thinfourth2 said:

But everyone feels our version of democracy utterly ignores voters beyond a once every 5 year cross on a piece of paper.

If the fkers listened to us instead of chasing headlines and vote then we might not want to shoot the fkers

So shooting them will change things for the better?

It's people like you that REALLY worry me.

If it gets them to stop thinking they are untouchable it might work.

Peaceful protest and angry letter writing does fk all in the UK.

The list of things that brings change in the UK is getting bloody short.

Shooting one of them will bring about nothing but more of us and them

if we shot the lot of them might bring change

[Muntu]

B Huey said:

If he's leftie why did he shoot a democrat?

Maybe he was reading too much Dailykos. They appear to be upset about her voting against Pelosi there

[Eric Mc]

thinfourth2 said:

Eric Mc said:

thinfourth2 said:

But everyone feels our version of democracy utterly ignores voters beyond a once every 5 year cross on a piece of paper.

If the fkers listened to us instead of chasing headlines and vote then we might not want to shoot the fkers

So shooting them will change things for the better?

It's people like you that REALLY worry me.

If it gets them to stop thinking they are untouchable it might work.

Peaceful protest and angry letter writing does fk all in the UK.

The list of things that brings change in the UK is getting bloody short.

Shooting one of them will bring about nothing but more of us and them

if we shot the lot of them might bring change

Well, if that is your opinion I think you need some mental help.

[Strawman]

Muntu said:

I think the communist manifesto supports my point. You have obviously read his list of reading material, but chose to ignore this book.

Yes he likes the communist manifesto as well as lewis Carroll, the complete lists of "likes" I read is.
Animal Farm, Brave New World,The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables,The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland,Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan,To Kill A Mockingbird,We The Living,Phantom Toll Booth,
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest,Pulp,Through The Looking Glass,The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha,
The Old Man And The Sea,Gulliver’s Travels,
Mein Kampf,The Republic, and Meno.
An eclectic list.

Muntu said:

Yes, I agree he does appear to be mentally unstable.

We'll agree on that then.